immortal flames unplayable

[TheWaywardWind]

Honestly, if we really want to discuss any GC being "unplayable" right now on Primal, it's the Adders, and I would credit this with their awful strategies and not Mael and Flames double teaming them.

They've fallen from grace in Slaughter really hard and now I barely ever see them win. Mael wins about 40% of the time, Flames 40%, and Adders it seems like scoop up the other 20%.

[Synestra]

They've fallen from grace in Slaughter really hard and now I barely ever see them win.

I guess its because slaughter is just a TDM w/o any stategy(BLM lvl50 PvE AoE rotation on middle node says hi, it will always yeld atleast one kill), now we are back to tactial mode and you start to see the downhill due that.

[Chaelyn]

In my games (From a Maels' perspective), Adders seem to like to make sure 1 team never wins. They have no strategy and they will tunnel on one team and they seem to hate Maels for some reason cause they always defend on us even if we're in 3rd. What happens to Adders is that they will tunnel on one team and push them back to spawn and never concentrate on nodes letting the 3rd team pretty much take free reign over the incoming nodes. What happens as a cause of this is that the GC that the Adders decide to fuck over holds grudges against Adders (Like anyone would) and therefore, do the same to Adders, causing them to never win because all Adders wanted to do was for farm kills for points.

Adders also like to attack whatever node is closer. Example: 4 nodes spawn, Maels have 1 Flames have 3, but oh look, the node that Maels has is closer to Adder spawn so let's just let Flames pick their nose at all 3 nodes while we contest Maelstrom over their only node instead of sandwiching Flames.

[TheWaywardWind]

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This happens VERY often with the Flames and Adders as well. Had several games yesterday where we could have won had the Adders actually got their shit together and teamed Mael with us since they were leading with two As that weren't easy to defend. Instead, they charged after us since we were closer to them, despite the fact we were in second and doing so would only guarantee a Mael victory.

I really want to know what happened, honestly. The Adders were good and now they're total shitbabies. For a while it was the Flames who couldn't get their act together. Now I watch as the Adders struggle to figure out what to do with themselves. I can trust Mael not to make pants-on-head stupid decisions, but with the Adders I always prepare for the worst.

[Chaelyn]

This happens VERY often with the Flames and Adders as well. Had several games yesterday where we could have won had the Adders actually got their shit together and teamed Mael with us since they were leading with two As that weren't easy to defend. Instead, they charged after us since we were closer to them, despite the fact we were in second and doing so would only guarantee a Mael victory.

I really want to know what happened, honestly. The Adders were good and now they're total shitbabies. For a while it was the Flames who couldn't get their act together. Now I watch as the Adders struggle to figure out what to do with themselves. I can trust Mael not to make pants-on-head stupid decisions, but with the Adders I always prepare for the worst.

I feel like all the goods went to Flames and most of the bads are in Adders now. Maelstrom has not been doing very well in Primal and it kinda upsets me.

[TheWaywardWind]

I feel like all the goods went to Flames and most of the bads are in Adders now. Maelstrom has not been doing very well in Primal and it kinda upsets me.

Well, their nickname is Twin Badders for a reason!

I've seen Mael do well. Flames have been rocking it lately, though - my win rate has increased dramatically. These past few weeks have been amazing.

[Carstien]

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I feel it's more of a cycle, because there was a time where Mael teams were mostly sucking it up not too long ago and adders were winning way over their share of matches.

My theory is that the bad to average players see a gc winning too often and they jump ship. This is fine at first, but then the top gc gets so many baddies wearing their colours that suddenly it's a crapshoot when you don't go premade because you will end up with several of these idiots that don't realise that they were the reason their old gc was losing.

So now your gc is losing and the bads watch another team take the top spot as the team to beat. Then they transfer again.

It's a cycle that won't end. Soon the adders dregs will be clogging up the Maelstrom and flames queues and adders will get some semblance of teamwork back in their game.

It can and will happen to all of us. Just stay loyal and wait for it to equalise.

[Chaelyn]

I feel it's more of a cycle, because there was a time where Mael teams were mostly sucking it up not too long ago and adders were winning way over their share of matches.

It's a cycle that won't end. Soon the adders dregs will be clogging up the Maelstrom and flames queues and adders will get some semblance of teamwork back in their game.

Yea I agree there, Mael on Primal have not been doing very well since last week...I even go into some 24 mans with 4+ premades and we still can't pull anything off cause we just get attacked when we're in 3rd even. There's also some Famfrit Flames premade that loves to camp Maels for whatever reason.

[Februs]

For a while it was the Flames who couldn't get their act together. Now I watch as the Adders struggle to figure out what to do with themselves. I can trust Mael not to make pants-on-head stupid decisions, but with the Adders I always prepare for the worst.

I've seen Mael make some pretty pants on head stupid decisions as well, but I get where you're coming from. I think part of the problem is that there's just too much bad blood between Flames and Adders as well. Because of the sheer stupidity of tunnel focusing each other ALL THE TIME, neither GC trusts the other anymore. When I fight against Mael, I can trust them to back the hell off if it's in their best interests. I can't say the same for Adders. I don't know who started it, and I don't care, but it's gotten to the point where we spend the entire match looking out for them and then grudge cycling when they inevitably do something stupid.

[TheWaywardWind]

I don't know who started it, and I don't care, but it's gotten to the point where we spend the entire match looking out for them and then grudge cycling when they inevitably do something stupid.

Oh, Mael can be stupid too, but now they're our actual competition.

I've given up trying to find reasons for it. It's pretty much universally agreed now though that the Adders are just there to piss in everybody's cereal. I can't remember a single match lately where I've gone and thought, "Damn, Adder, that was actually a good move." Most of the time they're just doing stupid shit and we beg and hope that their salt is kept to a minimum. Sometimes they perform well. Most of the time, though, I only see them in third, as indicated here:

Are flames on your datacenter anything like this:

Honestly, I still feel this pain from slaughter and the Flames. This was usually my weekly performance rate during the 72 man games when slaughter was still a thing. I never want a repeat of that again in my life.