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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    You would have to do something goofy where DRK's damage done was based off the DRK's stats, but the leech was based off the incoming damage. If you do what you're suggesting, then DRK damage would scale based off the boss's outgoing damage instead of his own gear.
    Wrong, the DRK would have to gear for survival. To reflect the damage, you have to survive it first, so you would cling to any HP upgrade you can.

    And again, the problem with WAR was not the scaling, but the bad synergy between Wrath and Inner Beast. It was stupid to sacrifice your healing boost for self-healing, of your self-healing for healing boost. If WAR could have used both at the same time, I'm sure it wouldn't have any problem clearing all content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Wrong, the DRK would have to gear for survival. To reflect the damage, you have to survive it first, so you would cling to any HP upgrade you can.

    And again, the problem with WAR was not the scaling, but the bad synergy between Wrath and Inner Beast. It was stupid to sacrifice your healing boost for self-healing, of your self-healing for healing boost. If WAR could have used both at the same time, I'm sure it wouldn't have any problem clearing all content.
    You're misunderstanding. At the beginning of progression, everybody has the "low" (relative to that raid tier) ilvl gear because you haven't collected any drops from the new dungeon or collected any of the new tomestones. There's no getting around it. Everybody gets the same general HP (or eHP) levels.

    The difference is that at the beginning of a new raid tier, DRK would get a DPS boost immediately due to the increase in boss damage. The PLD/WAR would have to wait for gear to match it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    The difference is that at the beginning of a new raid tier, DRK would get a DPS boost immediately due to the increase in boss damage. The PLD/WAR would have to wait for gear to match it.
    Yes, and it would be far more risky that the other two tank...
    Less defensive, more offensive...I don't see a problem here.

    Besides, if you only reflect 20% of the damage, it means you get hit for 5 times this amount.
    I don't think tanks really suffer that much damage...ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagledorf View Post
    For casual stuff like Titan, yes you're right that the core problem was basically just that IB depleted your Wrath so you lost the healing buff, which was a stupid design decision, but it was pretty much doable with reasonably similar gear.
    PLD were MTing it in i50-i60 gear since they'd have cooldowns ready for most of the tank busters and constant blocks. That was a more difficult feat to pull of with the WAR.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Yes, and it would be far more risky that the other two tank...
    Less defensive, more offensive...I don't see a problem here.
    It's a balancing headache because you've got surviability and DPS intertwined, but only for one job. The other two jobs would scale separately.

    You'd end up with either the DRK too good or the DRK not good enough and would be very difficult to find a middle ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    You'd end up with either the DRK too good or the DRK not good enough and would be very difficult to find a middle ground.
    It would require testing, sure.
    But I think it would have been more interesting than a magical PLD painted in black, even though DRK has become my main since 3.0.
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