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    Donjo's Avatar
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    A'lyhhia Tahz
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    Lamia
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    We're talking about mitigation here and I doubt anyone here doubts the Paladin's position with the DPS driven meta, thus irrelevant.

    As for "king of mitigation", on attacks where it counts they actually do possess the most mitigation. Whether they actually deserve the title of "king" is another story. Warriors using everything they have on a physical attack mitigates 48.16% of the damage. Sentinel combined with Shield Oath has 48.16% at the expense of one CD. Even if it's their longest CD aside from Hallowed Ground. For the next tankbuster within the next 90 seconds, Warriors are down to 19% mitigation. That's less than what just Shield Oath or Rampart has to offer. If it was a magical attack, warriors would have even less mitigation. Dark Knight on the other hand would hold a much better position. Their weakness for repeated physical tank busters becomes very apparent.

    The new content caters the Dark Knight job far more than Paladin. But if Dark Knights were around for coil, they would have been the least favourite tank.
    ...What? If a Warrior throws every Physical Friendly tool at something(This being Defiance, Raw Intuition, Vengeance, Thrill+Conva, Path, Foresight, and Inner Beast) it is an effective 75.36% reduction in damage. Exactly 90 seconds later they can toss everything except for Vengeance and Thrill+Conva back in there to get 57.6%. If PLD does exactly the same thing they have 77.1% on the first hit and 58.5% 90 seconds later.
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    Lyrica_Ashtine's Avatar
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    Sadako Yamamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    ...What? If a Warrior throws every Physical Friendly tool at something(This being Defiance, Raw Intuition, Vengeance, Thrill+Conva, Path, Foresight, and Inner Beast) it is an effective 75.36% reduction in damage. Exactly 90 seconds later they can toss everything except for Vengeance and Thrill+Conva back in there to get 57.6%. If PLD does exactly the same thing they have 77.1% on the first hit and 58.5% 90 seconds later.
    You'll have to throw that at the OP as he's not including eHP or self healing. I'll respond with similar circumstances.
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    Freyja Redgold
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    You'll have to throw that at the OP as he's not including eHP or self healing. I'll respond with similar circumstances.
    Well that's a dumb reaction. You should have corrected him then and bring eHP to the calculations instead of just "respond with similar circumstances".
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    You'll have to throw that at the OP as he's not including eHP or self healing. I'll respond with similar circumstances.
    Yes, I'm not, and on purpose.
    I've taken every proactive skill on PLD's toolkit (Except Stoneskin, since you frequently have a healer casting it on you, and it has the exact same effect on WAR), and still, PLD is, at best, slightly higher than WAR.

    If you add every not-included skill on WAR's toolkit, you'll only increase the gap towards WAR. Which is exactly the problem, since, again, they claimed that PLD is "the tank that mitigates damage".
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    Exodus Kenpachi
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Yes, I'm not, and on purpose.
    I've taken every proactive skill on PLD's toolkit (Except Stoneskin, since you frequently have a healer casting it on you, and it has the exact same effect on WAR), and still, PLD is, at best, slightly higher than WAR.

    If you add every not-included skill on WAR's toolkit, you'll only increase the gap towards WAR. Which is exactly the problem, since, again, they claimed that PLD is "the tank that mitigates damage".
    You really have to take things that Yoshi P says with a grain of salt. He has made numerous misguided statements about the game and in some cases directly contradicted by his development team.
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    Freyja Redgold
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus_Kenpachi View Post
    You really have to take things that Yoshi P says with a grain of salt. He has made numerous misguided statements about the game and in some cases directly contradicted by his development team.
    "GIT GUD"
    /YoshiP
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