Are my mitigation numbers off ?

[Reynhart]

You'll have to throw that at the OP as he's not including eHP or self healing. I'll respond with similar circumstances.

Yes, I'm not, and on purpose.
I've taken every proactive skill on PLD's toolkit (Except Stoneskin, since you frequently have a healer casting it on you, and it has the exact same effect on WAR), and still, PLD is, at best, slightly higher than WAR.

If you add every not-included skill on WAR's toolkit, you'll only increase the gap towards WAR. Which is exactly the problem, since, again, they claimed that PLD is "the tank that mitigates damage".

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

Yes, I'm not, and on purpose.
I've taken every proactive skill on PLD's toolkit (Except Stoneskin, since you frequently have a healer casting it on you, and it has the exact same effect on WAR), and still, PLD is, at best, slightly higher than WAR.

If you add every not-included skill on WAR's toolkit, you'll only increase the gap towards WAR. Which is exactly the problem, since, again, they claimed that PLD is "the tank that mitigates damage".

You really have to take things that Yoshi P says with a grain of salt. He has made numerous misguided statements about the game and in some cases directly contradicted by his development team.

[Freyyy]

You really have to take things that Yoshi P says with a grain of salt. He has made numerous misguided statements about the game and in some cases directly contradicted by his development team.

"GIT GUD"
/YoshiP

[Kabooa]

I love how you include Dark Mind when it only affects magic damage even though you're taking an 'average mitigation per second' approach to this given that 99% of the attacks a tank takes at any time is -physical damage-.

There is no Boss currently in game that does only magic damage.

Edit*: Wait, no Vault guy. There is no Raid* Boss currently in game that does only magic damage. Pending a quick research Edit** may appear soon!

Edit**: Node enemies in Coil apparently, but I'm half certain ADS still does physical auto attacks.

[Reynhart]

You really have to take things that Yoshi P says with a grain of salt.

Ok, suppose PLD doesn't deserve this title, so it's useless to ask for proper adjustment.
What does it do ?
Mitigation ? Not very different than the other two
Enmity ? Enough, but less than the other two
Utility ? Interesting...but not as useful as the other two
Single target damage ? Not "bad" per se, but lower than the other two
Multiple target damage ? Hmmm...lol
So ? What's left ?

(For the sake of calculation, we'll put each tank on an appropriate target. Block and Parry can be fully used, as well as Magical mitigation, tank will also fully focused on mitigation, so 100% uptime for mitigation comboes)

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Edit**: Node enemies in Coil apparently, but I'm half certain ADS still does physical auto attacks.

Manipulator only does magical damage.

[Exodus_Kenpachi]

It is not pointless to ask for an adjustment... It is just the TYPE of adjustment you want is pointless. You would have to break the game to give PLD enough mitigation to make it worth brining over higher DPSing tanks.

PLD needs much more utility. Honestly I feel like PLD should bring more healing related buffs. It would be nice if they find some way that the mere inclusion of a PLD to your party comp in some way buffs healers ability to heal THE WHOLE PARTY.

Also your idea of making a tank SO tanky that healers can DPS goes against the obvious design that SE is looking to force healers (RIP healer ACC).

[Reynhart]

PLD needs much more utility. Honestly I feel like PLD should bring more healing related buffs. It would be nice if they find some way that the mere inclusion of a PLD to your party comp in some way buffs healers ability to heal THE WHOLE PARTY.

Ok, but would it change anything ? Let's say that you have a PLD, so you can heal everyone more easily...what would you do apart from that ?
If you can't DPS, then bringing a PLD will still be worse than bringing a WAR...

If PLD stays at a lower DPS, it must increase the overall DPS of the party in some way to compensate.
What can be done is allowing it to replenish the party MP or TP, allowing BRD and MCH to go full DPS...but that's something that better fits the DRK, for me, because of all the "leech" effect DRK already have.

[Jpec07]

If PLD stays at a lower DPS, it must increase the overall DPS of the party in some way to compensate.

The most direct route would be to give PLD a way to apply Vulnerability to their opponent. In this way, they would be indirectly contributing to group DPS. If balanced properly, it would make up the gap between PLD MT and DRK and WAR MT DPS. And in order to avoid making PLD suddenly necessary again, make it not 100% uptime (though still a result of our action, so we can control when it applies). Not sure how this would fit in with the job fantasy, but it would definitely make PLD a lot more desirable.

[Anthius]

The most direct route would be to give PLD a way to apply Vulnerability to their opponent. In this way, they would be indirectly contributing to group DPS. If balanced properly, it would make up the gap between PLD MT and DRK and WAR MT DPS. And in order to avoid making PLD suddenly necessary again, make it not 100% uptime (though still a result of our action, so we can control when it applies). Not sure how this would fit in with the job fantasy, but it would definitely make PLD a lot more desirable.

I like this idea, actually just suggested something similar in the other Paladin thread.

Though I think the idea of the Paladin inspiring party members and giving them a damage buff may fit the Paladin theme a bit more than applying a debuff like ninja's trick attack would. Ultimately either would work while leaving the Warrior to be the "damage" tank and letting paladin still contribute to raid damage.

[Tam_Hawkins]

The most direct route would be to give PLD a .....PLD a lot more desirable.

For my personal Preference I would rather have Paladin be more tankish as well as better in the dmg reduction support, but that standpoint is a lore standpoint and not a gameplay standpoint....

If something like that would be implemented You are definitly right that it should not have 100% uptime, maybe a 5s vulnerability after shild swipe (so at most 33% uptime but i'm not sure if that is still to strong), the other Problem would be not having it while OT.