The Real Problem

[doctapeppa]

The new Rainbow/Ramie/Archaeoskin/Dragonskin glamours that came out with 3.1 cost pennies to make and sell for anywhere from 30-70k each on Gilgamesh. Several weeks later and I still have trouble keeping my retainer stocked with them. Also, the Sky Pirate gear made me the easiest 15 million gil I've ever earned in less than a week and even though the price has come down, it's still a great money maker. There's also a pair of new recipes that have made the farming of a certain expensive material very, VERY cheap and easy and I'm currently making a fortune off of it.

If for some reason you can't craft over level 50, the Zodiac quest items (perfect vellum, etc.) sell for an almost ludicrous amount now that SE has nerfed the old relic quests into the ground. Huge influx of people doing their relics vs. not very many people who bother with 2.x crafts.

There is always gil to be made. There are lazy people everywhere in this game and they are more than happy to give you their money.

[Lexia]

Retainers are bring back Thav glamour pieces?

[SchalaZeal]

I don't even have the gil to teleport and do Cacpot. Retainers are full and selling nothing of what used to be millions of gil worth of vanity, now worth far less then they cost to make. (Allagan Leather).

You can't teleport or pay Cactpot? Seriously? Why let yourself get below 10 million in the first place?

I'm at 57 million and wouldn't drop below 10 million for any reason that's not meld-related.

Also, I was crafting the augmentation items (Fighter Augment was a nice one, though it didn't sell often), for 200-300k a piece (for maybe 50k of annoying-to-get mats). Retainers can bring them now. Price? 90k if lucky, 30k otherwise, for all augments.

I note my amount of gil at the end of the day to check my progress.

43.6 -> 45.2 -> 47.9 -> 49.1 -> 49.7 -> 51.2 -> 52.7 -> 53.6 -> 55.5 -> 57.1

I started supplying my crafting with some gathering. So some, maybe half (rarely more than 700k in a day from gathering alone) is from gathering whatever I think is worth it. I make no items above 50 starred items (though I could). I'm only keeping about 30 items on retainers, along with whatever the retainers bring that isn't NPC tier.

[LongsunZhao]

Who says I've ever had 10 million gil? I've not. I started playing this game in Janurary of this year and I've done 7 and a half crafters. This costs gil. Buying armor costs gil or it used to. Never ever had chance in this game to save gil because there's always something I need. Suppose none of it matters anymore seeing as my crafting is now pointless thanks to ventures.

I leveled Culinarian, Got no special crafts. And I literally don't have the money to level up another craft and therefore don't have the stats to make this new vanity. So yeah. All in all my game is absolutely destroyed. Why dont they let all fighters cross skill every fighting move and see how they like having everything taken away from them.

[Lexia]

I find it funny people are saying ventures made crafting useless. Obviously you are making the wrong stuff.

[SchalaZeal]

Who says I've ever had 10 million gil? I've not. I started playing this game in Janurary of this year and I've done 7 and a half crafters. This costs gil.

Doesn't have to cost gil. I was poor once. I leveled my crafts by initially gathering shards myself, gathering every damn mats myself, and leveling gatherer classes at the same time. By the time I had a few at 35, I was able to make 20-50k a day, enough to finance the others level faster by leves. Then they all hit 50. I made the i55 sets after a month or two of playing, and max-melded them after some more time, maybe one set a week (that was incremental, since my income was not even 200k/day in early 2.1).

Buying armor costs gil or it used to.

Craft it or farm the dungeon, or skip to lv 45 using any means and get the free head, hand, feet and legs pieces your lv 45 quest gives. I never bought the NPC or market board armors. I either just winged it with dungeon drops, or made items, up to lv 30 (I was a bit undergeared between 35 and 45 I guess).

Never ever had chance in this game to save gil because there's always something I need.

#1 rule of making money: you need money to make money. So NEVER go below a certain limit you set for yourself that lets you buy materials or absorb a loss. Early on I set that limit at 100k, then 1 million, 2 million when I was saving for FC house in 2.2. Now 10 million.

Suppose none of it matters anymore seeing as my crafting is now pointless thanks to ventures.

Some crafts are. Some items are. Make items with high demand, even if you compete with retainer people you'll make a buck. Try making the ishgardian muffins, its about 1k cost in mats for possibly selling 12k if HQ. 8k at lowest (even if someone undercuts below 8k, let them, and wait).

And I literally don't have the money to level up another craft and therefore don't have the stats to make this new vanity.

Crafts make money. They only cost money to gear ideally (ie using max melds), the cost of gear itself should be marginal (1 million for a i150 set should be easy to get for a lv 60 crafter making sub-50 stuff).

[LongsunZhao]

As I say, I only started playing the game January of this year. I've not played this game for a year yet. I have spent alot of gil on various armors, Like the Artisan when I was in the Expansion Waiting bit of ARR. I've never ever had mulitudes of gil at one time. As I've always used it to try and better my game. But now. It's like all the crafts from level 50 to 1 are now useless. Why are Ventures giving us this stuff? Couldn't they have made something else for them to give us instead of ruining crafts.

These nerfs are going too far. It's making the game easier for new players but it's killing people who have played it while it was still hard. I don't have the stats to make any of the new weaver or leatherworker vanities. I have no crafts to make gil from because retainers are flooding the markets. Not only that, People saying it's stupid. Come to my server and look on the MB. Nothing has value anymore.

[Sollux]

I tend to ignore these posts now, but I'll feed the troll one last time.

LongsunZhao, I try to offer insight whenever I can in regards to Crafting, but after seeing almost every single one of your posts being a complaint about something and completely ignoring or disregarding all advice given to you to solve your problems I honestly cannot tell if you're trolling or not. If you are, bravo, job well done! If not, I have some parting advice for you:

No matter how much time/money you put into this game it will NEVER be exclusively tailored to what YOU want to do. In almost every single one of the posts you have made here I've seen multiple people give you really solid advice on how to alleviate or even solve your problems and you've either ignored or flat out denied them. There's nothing wrong with being upset about a change that affects the way you play, but if you're not willing to change and adapt to the new system you're only going to stay unhappy.

I think Kabooa said it best, so I'll quote her here:

You're never going to get a fair crack in this game that...does absolutely everything in its power to keep the barrier of entry so low that the only way to stay behind is to literally do nothing ever.

:|

There's no helping you, man. You've been this way for months. You're not happy.

I'm not trolling you when I say you just need to go. You need to stop getting angry over a game that does nothing but try to give everyone something. You need to quit, and this time stay quit, and find another game to play.

At this point, you're done, and you're just dragging everyone else down with you.

Go. Have fun somewhere else. Seriously, you need it.

[LongsunZhao]

I've got a great idea. You know them crafts everyone has been leveling to make, the level 50 ones. Lets destroy them and give them all away for ventures!!!!

This needs to be fixed! Crafters are now useless for the first 50 levels of crafting. Why take all this away from us for ventures? Why not use the Dungeon drops instead!!!?

[LongsunZhao]

So because I've not listened to YOUR advice. It's okay for SE to go and give away all these crafts to ventures!! Not buying it!