DPS Race bosses really need to stop.

[CrimsonThunder]

Seriously, older content had much more acceptable levels of enrage failure without people pointing fingers at each other for why they couldn't get Oppressor to 60% before split or phase 1 Bismarck EX in one swoop.

Keep the mechanics sure, but stop giving players a ridiculous timer. There a myriad of other ways to get players to be at their optimal levels for hard content but that MCH can't get a party even with full Eso because no one will risk the DPS check on a subpar BRD.

[NoahArks]

Someone sounds a bit sour. I'm probably one of the people that like the dps race. It means you have to know your job. The thing I'm still sour about is Mch being a 3.0 Brd. From 30 to 60 I was hoping it would be better, but at a later level I realized it's a brd with a gun (lvl52). Most likely I'll always be sour about that and it won't change, lol. Ranged dps into casting dps, rofl *Sour*

[Zojha]

I'm probably one of the people that like the dps race.

So...you can't tell by yourself whether you are o.o?

Frankly, I prefer mechanic checks over DPS checks. "Rotation, rotation, rotation" can get old very fast and it makes boss fights feel very same-y, as I'm more focused on my DPS than on my sorroundings or party members. If every boss was a fight like Faust...goodness, I'd probably not even be able to tell them apart.

[NoahArks]

So...you can't tell by yourself whether you are o.o?

Frankly, I prefer mechanic checks over DPS checks. "Rotation, rotation, rotation" can get old very fast and it makes boss fights feel very same-y, as I'm more focused on my DPS than on my sorroundings or party members. If every boss was a fight like Faust...goodness, I'd probably not even be able to tell them apart.

Well. My only lvl60 is the unwanted machinist, lol. Bismarck not cleared, nor haven't done any savage. I like to believe I'm good at my job, but some other people ruined it for the other's, lol. Heck, it's pretty rare for me to even see brds or mch in parties these days. In 18 voidark runs last week I saw two. So, yeah, I don't know if I like it or not, but I like the fact that you actually have to know what you have to do, instead of being able to blindly do something.

[Avidria]

Well. My only lvl60 is the unwanted machinist, lol. Bismarck not cleared, nor haven't done any savage. I like to believe I'm good at my job, but some other people ruined it for the other's, lol. Heck, it's pretty rare for me to even see brds or mch in parties these days. In 18 voidark runs last week I saw two. So, yeah, I don't know if I like it or not, but I like the fact that you actually have to know what you have to do, instead of being able to blindly do something.

I haven't played machinist almost at all, so I can't speak to that, but I see bards all the time. My last void ark run had three of them in my alliance alone. Think we had six total. Personally, I love the class. We have a lot of utility that goes well beyond simply dpsing. I help the healers with their mana, I boost the dps of my static's blm and smn, I help the tanks out with tp if I need to, and I can stop a warrior from pacifying themself (at the beginning of the fight, anyway). We can also hold our own with our dps if we play it right.

I like that I can do more than just dps...and I'm not a huge fan of fights that put too much focus on dps over following mechanics. I don't mind dps checks on their own, but making them the core mechanic of too many fights makes things get boring. There's a balance that can be struck to keep things interesting while also pushing the limits of what the group, including the dps, can do.

[Kallera]

Seriously, older content had much more acceptable levels of enrage failure without people pointing fingers at each other for why they couldn't get Oppressor to 60% before split or phase 1 Bismarck EX in one swoop.

Keep the mechanics sure, but stop giving players a ridiculous timer. There a myriad of other ways to get players to be at their optimal levels for hard content but that MCH can't get a party even with full Eso because no one will risk the DPS check on a subpar BRD.

Yeah, there needs to be a check on the hard enrages. Either that or have another look at the numbers for dps class' damage compared to non dps.

[Nestama]

SE could/should look back at Second Coil bosses, particularly Melusine. Overall a simple fight (if players didn't "yell" at their party members or Melusine), but gradually got trickier as you progressed because new abilities/mechanics were introduced. I really liked that fight. She did have an enrage set at 11 minutes, but I think most players never saw it (Hysteric Smash, single target hit for 16-17k damage. Possibly ranged).

[WinterLuna]

SE could/should look back at Second Coil bosses, particularly Melusine. Overall a simple fight (if players didn't "yell" at their party members or Melusine), but gradually got trickier as you progressed because new abilities/mechanics were introduced. I really liked that fight. She did have an enrage set at 11 minutes, but I think most players never saw it (Hysteric Smash, single target hit for 16-17k damage. Possibly ranged).

Completely agree with this. (Pre-nerf obviously) it was a tricky enough fight, fun mechanics, and still had a reasonable enrage timer meaning you couldn't slouch on DPS.

Besides, executing difficult mechanics correctly show a players skill way more than executing a (usually) set rotation over and over again.

[Malzian]

I'm of two minds on this subject... I think that the checks are necessary to make sure people are playing their roles properly. However, I also think that currently it is an overused concept when it comes to dungeon difficulty. We need bosses with these enrage kills, but I don't think that every dungeon needs one, not even raids.