Workshops - getting 4 people in there to progress a tier is getting tedious

[Neira]

For smaller FCs use PF, but there is a minimum of 4 people to etablish a FC, so it's most a problem of coordination.

Oh, so -you're- the one. I heard a rumor about a FC that has never had a single person leave, but I never knew which it was. Well, congratulations on that achievement, it really is something to be proud of. However, for most FCs, people do tend to leave over time. Even my small FC which has been rather selective with invites has had two people leave in the two years we've been around, out of about twelve different people. So just because it started with four, doesn't mean it still has four.

Then as you pointed out, there is still that whole coordination thing. Unfortunately, our FC only has ten players total: five who are completely inactive, one who rarely logs on because they're busy running their business, one who works 6AM-4PM weekdays, and three who have completely random and unpredictable schedules(myself being one of them). So even trying to get four of the five of us who still play on and in the workshop at the same time is a difficult task.

I'd also advise you not get so lost in your own opinions that you fail to consider the views of others. That's the path to bigotry, and it isn't a pleasant road to go down.

[Jeykama]

That's the path to bigotry, and it isn't a pleasant road to go down.

Don't get in a snit just because your FC is set up to fail. I run a small FC too with ~3-4 active players too, and I have had no problems filling a 4M workshop party. Not because I manage to get all my FC mates online but because I also have friends and social linkshells I can ask to fill in. It's not a big deal to find 3 other people, it's just a hassle. I just wish the other 3 had a legitimate reason to be there, like a multiplayer crafting minigame or something.

And if you don't have the crafters available to turn in the mats, might I suggest levelling the crafters yourself? As weak as the workshop crafting process is, it's still crafting per se and isn't a bad goal to have crafters levelled for when more advanced schematics are released. That moghouse exterior and tatanora parts aren't going anywhere after all.

[Neira]

Don't get in a snit just because your FC is set up to fail.

Offensive.

I run a small FC too with ~3-4 active players too, and I have had no problems filling a 4M workshop party.

Same.

Not because I manage to get all my FC mates online but because I also have friends and social linkshells I can ask to fill in.

Same.

It's not a big deal to find 3 other people, it's just a hassle.

Annoying and unnecessary.

I just wish the other 3 had a legitimate reason to be there, like a multiplayer crafting minigame or something.

Same.

My post was in response to someone who seemed to be incapable of seeing past their own experiences. To disregard everyone who is having factual, negative situations because it isn't an occurrence which that individual has personally dealt with is close-minded. We seem to agree on almost every point you brought up though, and have had similar experiences. Maybe next time you should defend the people who are being told that

they don't deserve

content because they can't find four people at will? Even I have trouble when my work shift has me home and online at 3AM, because not many people play on NA servers at that time.

[AnnietheCat]

Don't get in a snit just because your FC is set up to fail.

They weren't being snit, the other person was being a dick, and now you're being rude. The facts are that this is tedious, unnecessary, and exclusionary. I run a small fc of 12 members, a few being alts and the rest being fairly active. Only two of my members craft, myself and my co-leader. That's it. No one else has fun with it, no one else wants to do it. So not only is getting a party of 4 crafters together like pulling teeth, they can't even participate because they literally do not enjoy crafting. And no one should be forced to craft. Asking my other members to stop running dungeons/raids/trials, put on their level 1 crafting class, and afk in the workshop is unfair to them, don't you think? Why should they have to stop doing what they enjoy in order to just stand around doing nothing?

There are better ways of getting this done. If they just let anyone in the fc make the turn ins, people would actually feel as though they were helping. As of now, it feels like I'm forcing them to put their fun on the back burner for my own. If it felt like it wasn't punishing us for being a small company with only 1 or 2 crafters or if it wasn't like pulling teeth getting a party together, no one would mind it. But as of now it's just really obnoxious.