FFXIV dungeons are a little bit too linear?

[SuperZay]

They don't feel like dungeons. They are curved lines with only 1 way to get through them without split paths or other means to reach the exit. It's impossible to get lost there like in a real dungeon. You just walk from start to exit breaking artificial 'barriers' and getting 'keys' by killing mobs the only purpose of which is to make a short linear dungeon a bit longer.







And when you meet real dungeons in other games, you are shocked by FFXIV simplicity.

[Daenarys_Targaryen]

Ive been thinking this for ages its just a straight line with no variation. Now that we only get 2 dungeons per patch they are just so boring after months of grinding the same ones. I kind of expected more if they were only doing 2 dungeons. I think the same for 24 man raid its just a line. Wheres the variation and different paths the parties need to go along to complete the final objective.

[AlphaFox]

My thing when it comes to 24man is kinda like how they split the group for some of the mini bosses, have us have 3 different paths that force parties to actually split up at least and then perhaps converge together later on. However while I would like more complex dungeons, I'd imagine that when compared to what we have had a lot of people would probably just got irritated or people will simplify it down to the base "Go here, do this, dont go that way its not worth it!"

Unless the developers can somehow force it to randomize.

[elemental10]

Maybe make an 8 man dungeon that separates into two and have them both clear different objectives?

Otherwise, that dungeon design will only lead to people finding out the least effort path, nullifying the reason for "dead ends" and other ways to get to the finish line.

In mazes (dungeons), the first and foremost objective is to get to the finish line. Other optional routes to other destinations are considered just that, Optional. So either make those "dead ends" reward something unique or the extra rooms and routes would be just for nothing.

[kingatlas]

Yeah, I would definitely appreciate some real dungeons

[Felis]

We need dungeons again similar to old Toto-Rak


Many paths, many endbosses, but only 1 endboss can be reached depending of the path the party unlock.

Gather first all blue photocells to unlock the blue gate. Then gather all green photocells to unlock the green gate or the door of the first endboss. Unlocking an endboss door use all photocells and the other gates of the dungeon can't be unlocked anymore.

[Veerne]

There's no point in making dungeons labyrinthine because people will always just find the shortest and fastest route to the end. Even if you were to compare MMORPG dungeons to single player RPG dungeons, you have to keep in mind that in singe player RPGs the dungeons are the meat of the gameplay, whereas in MMORPGs they are just one piece of the bigger platter of content. MMORPGs also tend to focus more on the boss challenges, not exploration, since exploration is kind of useless in a game where you are meant to do the same place multiple times.

[Mug]

Damn, it really shows when you post the actual maps like that. Sadly, it's just not normal dungeons, but raid maps as well. Everything is painfully linear and formulaic. I wish they would experiment more. The Diadem is a slight step in the right direction. I realise that it has lots of issues, but at least it's something else than we've been getting for these last two years.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Sadly, we will never get such a thing. If people managed to turn the diadem into a dino grind fest, then they'll find a similar way to formulate something that is non linear.

[Stanelis]

There's no point in making dungeons labyrinthine because people will always just find the shortest and fastest route to the end. Even if you were to compare MMORPG dungeons to single player RPG dungeons, you have to keep in mind that in singe player RPGs the dungeons are the meat of the gameplay, whereas in MMORPGs they are just one piece of the bigger platter of content. MMORPGs also tend to focus more on the boss challenges, not exploration, since exploration is kind of useless in a game where you are meant to do the same place multiple times.

There is a point and it is called immersion, which is quite important in a game which claims to be a RPG (and not a gear farming glamour simulator).