Critique my NIN rotation

[mattlock]

K, so

Single target: Huton>SE>SF>MUT>SE>DE (unless storms eye is up, then its aeo edge after shadow fang) then armor crush for extended huton

Multi: Doton>Death blossom a few times>Kassatsu>Katon

Boss opener: SE>BFB>IR>GS>DE>KASSATSU>SUITON>SE>TRICKATTACK>GS>DUALTY>AEO EDGE

Then I keep my DoTs up until the boss is dead.

I won't comment on your multi rotation, because for the most part NIN doesnt really have a aoe rotation in my opinion but I will address the boss opener, which can be used as your single target opener

Boss opener Pre-cast Huton>wait 10-15 seconds>pull occurs> as you are running towards the boss, Suiton>

spinning edge (pop B4B and IR here)>Gust slash (pop dex potion if you are doing hardcore raiding if not, you can pop IR here)

>dancing Edge(pop Kassatsu here, only pop one OGCD here because it has a longer animation lock than usual)>spinning edge

(trick attack)>Shadow fang(raiton/fuma shuriken here, Raiton is usually better due to the mudra lag being fixed)

>Mutilate(dream within a dream or mug here, only one OGCD though)>spinning edge(dream within a dream or mug)

>gust slash(duality)>aeolian Edge(jugulate)


It is important to note that with this rotation, you will be able to fit every single attack into the vuln debuff from trick attack and the dex buff from your choice of potion

Let me know If I forgot something, I usually tend to forget something

[Jim_Berry]

I use Dancing Edge before Shadow Fang because DE has a longer duration. I could get two Shadow Fang's in before DE wears off, even if a WAR is in group; I open with DE so the WAR can build momentum for other abilities.

[Iz_Lemon]

Compared to most of the openers listed in here I'd make one edit: Don't do mutilate during the trick attack vulnerability up. I've done a bit of testing and it always comes out better to do it afterwards. The dot ticks from mutilate are only 10% higher while vulnerability up is up... and ten seconds is not long enough to make mutilate worth doing over another GCD. My two cents.

[Shurrikhan]

Compared to most of the openers listed in here I'd make one edit: Don't do mutilate during the trick attack vulnerability up. I've done a bit of testing and it always comes out better to do it afterwards. The dot ticks from mutilate are only 10% higher while vulnerability up is up... and ten seconds is not long enough to make mutilate worth doing over another GCD. My two cents.

I was under the impression that all DoTs aside from ground AoEs / auras dealt damage for their full duration based on whatever buffs/debuffs were up at application, e.g. a Mutilate applied during TA would do 396 instead of 360 potency if unclipped? Could you pass a link as to what effects are or are not snapshotted? Can't seem to find anything from Heavensward on.

[Elazu]

I was under the impression that all DoTs aside from ground AoEs / auras dealt damage for their full duration based on whatever buffs/debuffs were up at application, e.g. a Mutilate applied during TA would do 396 instead of 360 potency if unclipped?

That is correct and Mutilate is no exception. So you absolutely want to use it during TA.

[Kaze3434]

Compared to most of the openers listed in here I'd make one edit: Don't do mutilate during the trick attack vulnerability up. I've done a bit of testing and it always comes out better to do it afterwards. The dot ticks from mutilate are only 10% higher while vulnerability up is up... and ten seconds is not long enough to make mutilate worth doing over another GCD. My two cents.

testing might be bad if you came to that conclusion. dots are snapshot-ed when used.

[MrCookTM]

The dot ticks from mutilate are only 10% higher while vulnerability up is up...

No idea where you picked this up but this is as wrong as it can get.

[Iz_Lemon]

Ok... capable of admitting when I'm beaten :P

What I was ultimately going on were some lower-than-they-should be thordan numbers that a friend was parsing me on, and dropping mutilate out of the trick attack opener got a big boost. And then I sort of polled some people who held the opinion that dots snapshot buffs, but not DEbuffs. Just spent a couple of minutes on a training dummy observing numbers and yeah, everyone else is right. Snapshots debuffs as well.

As far as the thordan numbers go, I think that because of dodging meteorain I wasn't getting the duality-ed aeolian edge into the trick attack window and dropping mutilate until after that made it more comfortable and consistent.

[AkashiXI]

Ok... capable of admitting when I'm beaten :P

What I was ultimately going on were some lower-than-they-should be thordan numbers that a friend was parsing me on, and dropping mutilate out of the trick attack opener got a big boost. And then I sort of polled some people who held the opinion that dots snapshot buffs, but not DEbuffs. Just spent a couple of minutes on a training dummy observing numbers and yeah, everyone else is right. Snapshots debuffs as well.

As far as the thordan numbers go, I think that because of dodging meteorain I wasn't getting the duality-ed aeolian edge into the trick attack window and dropping mutilate until after that made it more comfortable and consistent.

You most certainly can get all your dots, mug, doad, and duality in for your TA opener on Thor. If you don't attack exactly as your tank lobs, then maybe he'll turn during your AE to do his conal attack, otherwise you can bait the meteorain on either flank and keep the rear open.

[Hivernica]

I always did katon -> kassatsu -> doton then blossom in aoe situations...Was I wrong?