PLD Raise while in combat please!

[KingOfAbyss]

Heya all ^^

Is it asking for too much that we could spend a Cross-Class slot skill and put Raise as a PLD, to be able to use it in combat since we unlocked it with Conjurer?

That would really make me feel like I'm the sort of Crusader that are there with prayers, God, Shield and.. to better protect and serve my fellow comrades?

Speaking of slots, why is it that lvl 60 we don't have a 6th slot open?

Do you have plans to change the whole skill tree later on, and then skip the cross-classes?

I wouldn't mind using lots of MP for a Raise, even without Swiftcast or Surecast, with Hallowed Ground popped.

Perhaps that would help AS4 PLD to have a better place in Raids since the DPS even after the 'fix' seems it's still lacking?*

*I haven't done it, only through search over the forum.

Thank you for your time.

[Kallera]

I understand this sentiment. There's something that feels wrong when everyone just throws up their hands and waits to die when the two healers go down. There's no method to recover from such a situation, save for killing the mob or having a smn. Ffxi had no problem with raise being cross class and reraise items being used, and there's already raise sickness in place that makes taking multiple raises a pointless gesture in the latest raid, so why nerf raise further?

[Vandril]

This would be extremely powerful utility. So powerful, that I fear it might cause PLD to be a required party member for any sort of hardcore content. Having a PLD able to resurrect just about anyone while off-tanking is a scary thought. Even the MP cost wouldn't really matter to them, since they can regain MP at such an insane rate.

It would be cool, and I'd love it, but it might cause some serious balance issues.

[Saccharin]

This would be extremely powerful utility. So powerful, that I fear it might cause PLD to be a required party member for any sort of hardcore content. Having a PLD able to resurrect just about anyone while off-tanking is a scary thought. Even the MP cost wouldn't really matter to them, since they can regain MP at such an insane rate.

It would be cool, and I'd love it, but it might cause some serious balance issues.

Ehm... like any arcanist or white mage.

[Malicewolf]

This would be extremely powerful utility. So powerful, that I fear it might cause PLD to be a required party member for any sort of hardcore content. Having a PLD able to resurrect just about anyone while off-tanking is a scary thought. Even the MP cost wouldn't really matter to them, since they can regain MP at such an insane rate.

It would be cool, and I'd love it, but it might cause some serious balance issues.

See, I disagree with that statement. Because this is not suggesting for any sort of increase in a PLD's DPS, which is what's crippling them at end game hardcore content. Instead, what this would hopefully do is bring balance to the 3 tanks again, so that now, there is a value to a PLD being brought to save healer's from having to do a res for a downed DPS. You'd have to choose between more DPS from a tank to meet the dps checks, or if you'd rather have a safety net.

Raise currently uses up over half of a PLD's MP (unless the stacked some piety for some reason). Most likely, a PLD would combo a raise with a Clemency to follow soon after, which would result in them draining their MP. Sure, we have an easier means to access more MP using riot blade (which gives ~400-450 mp back) and then sheltron. But sheltron requires we be hit and block an attack and most likely, this scenario would occur for an OT, not a MT. Essentially meaning, regaining MP would take some time. Yes, we could get MP back up to use it again later, but with the amount of time it would take for a manual raise to go through from a PLD, a healer could of swiftcast res and healed someone back to full hp. A total of 11 seconds would be required for a PLD to raise someone and give them a clemency heal (which i doubt would fully heal someone back, but it'd give a decent chunk).

[Zumi]

It is a trait that allows raise to be cast in combat.

[Ashkendor]

See, I disagree with that statement. Because this is not suggesting for any sort of increase in a PLD's DPS, which is what's crippling them at end game hardcore content. Instead, what this would hopefully do is bring balance to the 3 tanks again, so that now, there is a value to a PLD being brought to save healer's from having to do a res for a downed DPS. You'd have to choose between more DPS from a tank to meet the dps checks, or if you'd rather have a safety net.

That wouldn't balance out jack. All it would do give PLD a little more raid utility that's niche at best and borderline useless at worst. With no Swiftcast available, you have to animation lock yourself for over 8 seconds to cast Raise. If both healers are down, 8 seconds is a freakin eternity for the boss to chew up the MT, spit him out, and start hunting for DPS.

[KingOfAbyss]

That wouldn't balance out jack. All it would do give PLD a little more raid utility that's niche at best and borderline useless at worst. With no Swiftcast available, you have to animation lock yourself for over 8 seconds to cast Raise. If both healers are down, 8 seconds is a freakin eternity for the boss to chew up the MT, spit him out, and start hunting for DPS.

Since I pretty much always MT, I was looking from this point of view, to be used under scarce circumstances, like popping the Hallowed Ground Skill, then no matter how long your raise, you wouldn't be chewed up.. and I can see myself raising an Healer, and him to use the LB3 to save the long fight..

^ an example only ^o^

If they can give us Swiftcast then by all means! hehehe

[Fevelle]

It would be cool, and I'd love it, but it might cause some serious balance issues.

Everytime I read about "balance issues", "required for hardcore content" or "balanced raid enviroment" I feel this game dying a little. So you'd rather play a dumb, generic class with DPS issues than a supportive tank who excels at OT with lots of utility just because he would be better at certain encounters?

IMO, Paladins should play more like a support. More than just raising. The ideas about a new heal stance on the other thread are gorgeous, but again, people complain because "balance".

[Malzian]

As a PLD main, I only have one concern with this and that is the cast time/animation lock for it. If I'm in a fight where I only need to OT, it'd be somewhat alright provided I didn't have to worry about the MT dying when both healers go down. If I am stuck on that good awful long cast and the MT dies, then that's no good either since if I don't stop the cast and pick up the boss then the group wipes anyway. Besides, SMN can also do am insta-cast raise, so you do get 3 in combat raises when you have a SMN in your group (something I've had to do on more than one occasion, actually). But once again, useful only in very select circumstances.