Current state of MCH?

[Underdog2204]

I dunno, I feel that with the spread of 2/2/4 for raid content that it's not terrible to split the 4 into a variant, namely support. Battery or not, they they are the only ones who possess the capability and are brought for it. I don't see the problem with 2 tanks, 2 healers, 3 dps and a "battery" over 2 tanks, 2 healers and 4 dps.

Good point.

The issue comes when it seems that any new physical ranged jobs are now going to have to be shoehorned into this battery role, and none of them are going to work with each other.

Can you think of one reason MCH needed to have regen on the turret? Or why BRD needed their regen songs? I sure can't. Healers have tools for mp management, why was a class needed to give them mp instead of their own skills? I just cannot get my head around the choices they made.

[Greedalox]

Good point.

The issue comes when it seems that any new physical ranged jobs are now going to have to be shoehorned into this battery role, and none of them are going to work with each other.

Can you think of one reason MCH needed to have regen on the turret? I sure can't.

I would assume that MCH were given turret regens for the sake of a more or less "guaranteed" role having more than 1 job to fill it. Funnily enough the classes are still incredibly similar, but I see where they were coming from when making a second battery.

[Underdog2204]

I would assume that MCH were given turret regens for the sake of a more or less "guaranteed" role having more than 1 job to fill it. Funnily enough the classes are still incredibly similar, but I see where they were coming from when making a second battery.

Well i sure don't they just gave a new coat of paint to an old job imo.

Yeah sure the way they do damage may be different but the role they are supposed to fill does exactly the same thing. It just goes to show how none support these jobs are in the fact the only real difference between them is really the way they deal damage.

I can roll with it, but i can understand why people are frustrated and annoyed.

Oh and SE better had give MCH a proper animation on Wildfire -_-

[Archaell]

I think it is safe to assume that BRD and MCH aren't going to stay the only batteries for long. Imagine that they would add melee support, dancer could do that etc., and it would suffer the same penalty MCH with BRD do. Even now when you get several BRDs and MCHs in DF groups it can cause problems with dps checks, with melee support it could get even worse, as low dps classes require better skill to do required amount of damage.

Oh and SE better had give MCH a proper animation on Wildfire -_-

And if it could get a little bit more casual friendly, like exploding several times or been triggered before immunity phases that would be great too. Option to blow it up manualy wouldn't be bad either.

[RiceisNice]

Can you think of one reason MCH needed to have regen on the turret? Or why BRD needed their regen songs? I sure can't. Healers have tools for mp management, why was a class needed to give them mp instead of their own skills? I just cannot get my head around the choices they made.

If MCH was going to compete with BRD for a spot, they'd need to be able to fill in the same niche and become interchangable. They already shot themselves in the leg back in 2.0 when they made BRD the only job capable of giving other players tp/mp regen, whihc may or may not be necessary for the content at hand. The other was not make any jobs have it, and that BRD/MCH is interchangable with both casters in regards of a ranged dps.

For the record, I'm fine with them being the "support dps" niche or whatever they want to call it. They need to homogenize their utility and purpose if they're gonna compete with roles (hence both of them having regen). I'm not fine with them homogenizing their gameplay though, which is mostly the case in regards to BRd/MCH's general gameplay outside of cooldowns.

[Underdog2204]

If MCH was going to compete with BRD for a spot, they'd need to be able to fill in the same niche and become interchangable. They already shot themselves in the leg back in 2.0 when they made BRD the only job capable of giving other players tp/mp regen, whihc may or may not be necessary for the content at hand. The other was not make any jobs have it, and that BRD/MCH is interchangable with both casters in regards of a ranged dps.

I agree, it's like giving raid bosses a debuff that only a certain dps job can dispel and calling it supporting.

Such a class would still be necessary and it's counterparts would need that dispel too, doesn't make it a great idea though. This is the BRD and MCH position atm, it's just their button is this dispel disguised as a regen.

I agree with you on their homogenization for sure, the line between them is so wonky it might aswell be called a squiggle.