Thread: Patch 3.1 and the Problems with a Two Tier Model of Content

Originally Posted by SerCypher

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I wouldn't considering myself an amazing player by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems like you're complaining Extreme primals aren't a place to learn, when in fact they are? They are our low-mid end content that gets players up to speed, mechanics that aren't too tough, but challenging enough so you'll have to go in prepared and communicate well, play your class well by reading up on how to play and the like. I don't think we need anymore low-mid end content, there's more than enough to teach people how to play, the question is, are they willing? If not, then no matter how much content you throw at them it won't help.

Overworld -> Diadem -> Dungeons -> Story Mode Trials -> Void Ark -> Normal Alexander -> Bismarck EX -> Ravana EX -> Thordan EX -> Nothing -> Savage Alexander

That "nothing" is what we're missing, Bismarck and Ravana aren't difficult fights, and can teach you the basics of more complex mechanics, and as you go down further it gets more difficult. But then all of a sudden you're hit with Savage and nothing in between that, that's what we're in need of.

Originally Posted by Colorful

Overworld -> Diadem -> Dungeons -> Story Mode Trials -> Void Ark -> Normal Alexander -> Bismarck EX -> Ravana EX -> Thordan EX -> Nothing -> Savage Alexander

Casual content is extremely abundant and honestly. It doesn't teach people anything. You have people getting crushed in Bizzy, people not knowing how to count to 4 in Ravana. NOTHING will save these people unless casual content forces them to improve at least a tiny bit.

As for the scale. Thordan EX is the PERFECT level for midcore/subparhardcore content we're looking for. A1S+A2S I'd put below Thordan, and A3S/A4S above. Far above.

We need more abundant content, like Thordan. Simple, extremely punishing mechanics lumped on top of each other to create 'raid' awareness. Nothing is Cryptic. Once you see it you understand it.

We need dungeons with this level of awareness, raids with this level of awareness, and waaay more trials with this level of awareness. It's incredibly designed, simple, but keeps you on your toes.

Ravana is a dance. Follow the steps and you win. Bismarck is a dps check. Learn your class you win. Oppressor is like Ravana and Bismarck together. Dancing while DPSing. And A2S is monster control, which could be added in "Savage" dungeon content. It all works out... The devs just refuse to DO IT.

Normal Alex teaches you nothing. The checks are too lenient. Void ark teaches you nothing. Though it has punishing mechanics; people who care can carry alt-tabbers through. Casual content is people sleeping through content.