Thread: Patch 3.1 and the Problems with a Two Tier Model of Content

Originally Posted by SerCypher

...The whole idea of -hard- content seems to have gone out the wayside in this expansion. There is only casual and extreme, and there is nothing to bridge the gap and provide a sense of progression for the average player. That's why you have anger about new players trying Savage, or Ex primals. These people really aren't skilled enough for those fights, but they want something more challenging then facerolling dungeons, and there is nowhere to learn now.

Some of the old content is still relevant and challenging if you like glamours or storylines. My FC has been picking away at T9 and we're still stuck as a group because that fight is HARD. HARD AS HECK. Even unsynced at level 60. We'll get past it eventually, but for a casual group that just wanted to see what happened in the story, it's a giant wall of frustration. T6-T8 didn't take nearly as long.

What SE hasn't done properly is give us incentives to go back and do old content besides the glamours and storylines, whether that's a daily raid roulette for gil, unique collectible rewards like the ponies, or tokens to trade in for updated gear.

This is the gap that I feel really should be addressed.

Originally Posted by Catwho

Some of the old content is still relevant and challenging if you like glamours or storylines. My FC has been picking away at T9 and we're still stuck as a group because that fight is HARD. HARD AS HECK. Even unsynced at level 60. We'll get past it eventually, but for a casual group that just wanted to see what happened in the story, it's a giant wall of frustration. T6-T8 didn't take nearly as long.

What SE hasn't done properly is give us incentives to go back and do old content besides the glamours and storylines, whether that's a daily raid roulette for gil, unique collectible rewards like the ponies, or tokens to trade in for updated gear.

This is the gap that I feel really should be addressed.

Other than vanity, there really isn't a reason to go back. ILVL > all.

Originally Posted by Magis

Other than vanity, there really isn't a reason to go back. ILVL > all.

This, exactly this. And that's why we need lasting content. Make midcore raid dungeons that take hours to complete. Give us Shortcut checkpoints like in Binding Coil. Plop a hard boss at the end. Amazing content right there. Put loot throughout the dungeon. 4-8 people.

They could have made Void Ark. A BEAUTIFUL piece of content a raid dugeon. Easily. Not this stupid afk-for-loot garbage they keep feeding casuals.

Casual content is TOO CASUAL at this point in time. It needs to be adjusted.

Originally Posted by ZanzhizExaverion

This, exactly this. And that's why we need lasting content. Make midcore raid dungeons that take hours to complete. Give us Shortcut checkpoints like in Binding Coil. Plop a hard boss at the end. Amazing content right there. Put loot throughout the dungeon. 4-8 people.

They could have made Void Ark. A BEAUTIFUL piece of content a raid dugeon. Easily. Not this stupid afk-for-loot garbage they keep feeding casuals.

Casual content is TOO CASUAL at this point in time. It needs to be adjusted.

Casual content is good. Savage needs to be adjusted or a mid-core created.

Originally Posted by Magis

Other than vanity, there really isn't a reason to go back. ILVL > all.

But everyone knows that glamour is the real endgame!

#1 reason I got all my classes to 50 before 3.0 dropped was so that I could have more wardrobe options. Totally serious. I may have a small problem.