Esuna on Warrior?

[Ashkendor]

I don't even have a macro for it, honestly. I don't main warrior (and I don't play it at endgame right now but am thinking of switching) but I have been playing it quite a bit since I got it to 60 and I just don't see the point. If the healers see it in time they take it off me, but if not it's no big. The only time I could see a real problem is if the warrior was pacified when they had to pick up an add, but that's a timing issue rather than a cleansing issue. Other than that, it's just losing a couple of GCD's worth of DPS.

As a healer, I dislike the obnoxious multi-sound macros that some warriors make to scream bloody murder about that 5 second debuff and I usually ignore them. One line with a sound, cool. Ten lines counting down with repeated sound spam, you can gtfo.

[Freyyy]

If the WAR has the right SkS and is able to fit a 9th GCD during Berserk, he will most of the time be pacified as soon as he used the very last attack, thus having his GCD running during the first ~2.45 seconds of pacification, thus leaving only ~2.65 seconds of effective pacification. Not worth dispelling. In the case the WAR doesn't have enough SkS tho and is pacified right before being able to use this 9th GCD, meaning that the pacification starts ~2.46 seconds after his last attack, he's effectively not attacking for ~7.46 sec because of the pacification, thus making it super worth dispelling. Every good WAR will prioritize having enough SkS to fit the 9th GCD before anything else in terms of secondary stats.

In PUGs, you shouldn't bother dispelling. If the WAR is a friend of you or in your static or something like that, you should talk about it with him. If he wants you to dispell it, do it but first prioritize healing. If someone dies because you're Esuna-ing your WAR, it's not worth it. I personally don't care at all about being dispelled since I have the SkS and just missing 1 GCD of damage after having unleashed hell on everything with 50% more attack power doesn't bother me that much.

[AdamFyi]

The Berserk macro is a godsend when I'm on Bard. Makes it much easier to time Paean on them. It's a shame not a lot actually use it (without the sound effects, of course).

[EdgeFayth]

As a main war, I just use the "annoying macro" in Savage, then my healers can remove the debuff (I don't know how they would do more dps with a single spell than me during 5 s).
Outside of Savage, I just don't mind.

[Khyan]

One day pacification will no longer be dispellable and problem solved... One day.

[Khyan]

As a main war, I just use the "annoying macro" in Savage, then my healers can remove the debuff (I don't know how they would do more dps with a single spell than me during 5 s).
Outside of Savage, I just don't mind.

During 5 sc, I can cast bio², bio and energy drain. Maybe even aero. Sorry but I can do more than a single spell during these 5 seconds. Even on savage it's pretty useless outside of Selene esuna or peon on pull.

Deal with it.

[Rawrz]

During 5 sc, I can cast bio², bio and energy drain. Maybe even aero. Sorry but I can do more than a single spell during these 5 seconds. Even on savage it's pretty useless outside of Selene esuna or peon on pull.

Deal with it.

The difference is that Healer gives up only 1 second GCD (2.5 but at least you can weave still) vs a War who is giving up 5 seconds. I'll let Selene handle it if her CD is up but the tradeoff isn't 5 seconds for 5 seconds its 2.5 seconds for 5 seconds, but as others have said a 9 GCD is only going to allow 1 during the middle of it and 1 at the end of it.

[Alex_Lenderson]

In regards to if it is worth it or not:

Single Target

Aero III (1GCD) MP Cost 707 = 370 Pot. 407 True Pot.

Esuna (1GCD) MP Cost 619 or 0 = 2 Warrior GCD's (Usually Heavy Swing > Maim/Sunder) = 340/350(150+190/200) Pot. 459/472.5 True Pot.

Multi Target

Aero III = 407*X True Pot.

Esuna = Overpower x2 = 300*X True Pot.

TLDR(???): Not necessary if you don't value absolute min-maxing.

So warriors have no abilities to use while they are pacified? You have to subtract what they could have been doing if they still had the debuff to your calculations.

[Seryl199]

The difference is that Healer gives up only 1 second GCD (2.5 but at least you can weave still) vs a War who is giving up 5 seconds. I'll let Selene handle it if her CD is up but the tradeoff isn't 5 seconds for 5 seconds its 2.5 seconds for 5 seconds, but as others have said a 9 GCD is only going to allow 1 during the middle of it and 1 at the end of it.

Realistically, the chance of the healer's GCD lining up for perfect timing to cleanse pacify is slim. The healer might need to delay their cast by .5 a second or more to line up with Berserk ending, which is more time lost for the healer, and the timing to cleanse all 5 seconds is just too tight to stress over, considering if you cast too early, it misses the pacify and everyone ends up in the negative. The "2 for 1" thought is a pretty lofty ideal, and comes closer to trading a single GCD with the WAR. They might eke out more DPS with that one GCD, but if it's breaking your healing or DPS rhythm, it's that much more likely you'll come out neutral. I can't see that it's a big deal whether they're cleansed or not, so long as the healer remains productive all the while.

[Rawrz]

Realistically, the chance of the healer's GCD lining up for perfect timing to cleanse pacify is slim. The healer might need to delay their cast by .5 a second or more to line up with Berserk ending, which is more time lost for the healer, and the timing to cleanse all 5 seconds is just too tight to stress over, considering if you cast too early, it misses the pacify and everyone ends up in the negative. The "2 for 1" thought is a pretty lofty ideal, and comes closer to trading a single GCD with the WAR. They might eke out more DPS with that one GCD, but if it's breaking your healing or DPS rhythm, it's that much more likely you'll come out neutral. I can't see that it's a big deal whether they're cleansed or not, so long as the healer remains productive all the while.

Yep. xD Thats why its something I save Fey Caress for. @.@