Thread: Are they adding MSQ in 3.15?

Originally Posted by Andres_Lonegrief

Generally speaking, it does seem they have decided to reduce the amount of content available per patch: we got 1 trial (just ex mode) and 2 dungeon (bad idea, 3 was working fine) when we used to have 3 dungeon and two modes per trial (HM and EX).

you might not like Diadem but don't pretend it's not a thing. as bad as it is to me, it's still better than a 3rd dungeon. and HM trials have been meaningless since Ultima. especially the ones that drop nothing and are simply reduced versions of the EX mode (Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva). the Vault portion of the MSQ is equal if not better than those useless HMs.

3.1 doesn't have tons of content but it's not noticeably less than before.

Originally Posted by SendohJin

3.1 doesn't have tons of content but it's not noticeably less than before.

Disagree. 1 week later and I've noticed.

-short MSQ (first MSQ update to not include a trial as part of the story)
-No new primal (Thordan is not new)
-1 less dungeon (I can confidently now say that this decision is hurting the game)
-no side story (Hidebrand-esque) content.
-no relics (hard to believe we are 5 months into Heavensward and these still aren't out)

Of all the major patches, it's the smallest, and took the longest to create. Going to need a quick turn-around for 3.2. If they try to stretch 3.1 for 4-5 months, there will be tumbleweeds rolling through Idyllshire.

Originally Posted by Akuryu

Disagree. 1 week later and I've noticed.

-short MSQ (first MSQ update to not include a trial as part of the story)
-No new primal (Thordan is not new)
-1 less dungeon (I can confidently now say that this decision is hurting the game)
-no side story (Hidebrand-esque) content.
-no relics (hard to believe we are 5 months into Heavensward and these still aren't out)

Of all the major patches, it's the smallest, and took the longest to create. Going to need a quick turn-around for 3.2. If they try to stretch 3.1 for 4-5 months, there will be tumbleweeds rolling through Idyllshire.

3.15, coming out mid Dec, is bringing both the relics and a sidequest line called Saint Endalim Scholasticate

Originally Posted by Belhi

3.15, coming out mid Dec, is bringing both the relics and a sidequest line called Saint Endalim Scholasticate

We're mid november already and they said early december for 3.15. Shouldn't they be teasing the relics? I mean, I haven't seen anything about them outside of a sketch of a DRK and AST weapons that we don't even know if they are really Relics or just new instances weapons...

Originally Posted by Akuryu

Of all the major patches, it's the smallest, and took the longest to create. Going to need a quick turn-around for 3.2. If they try to stretch 3.1 for 4-5 months, there will be tumbleweeds rolling through Idyllshire.

This.
Besides being the smallest and the one that took the longest to be available, it's BY FAR the most bugged patch of all time.

DF issues, all kinds of Vanu Vanu beast tribe bugs, all kinds of Diadem bugs, even the wrong amount of materials for red token mats exchange, just to name a few...

Originally Posted by Akuryu

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As it has been mentioned, it seems our 3rd EX dungeon was replaced by Diadem. As I see it though, I have a sneaking suspicion that Lords of Verminion took a lot of resources from Yoshi P and Co.

I agree, though, that patch 3.1 does feel smaller and I do attune it to the lack of a 3rd EX dungeon. Honestly, when you think about it, there is no need for an additional EX primal fight.

Originally Posted by SendohJin

you might not like Diadem but don't pretend it's not a thing. as bad as it is to me, it's still better than a 3rd dungeon. and HM trials have been meaningless since Ultima. especially the ones that drop nothing and are simply reduced versions of the EX mode (Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva). the Vault portion of the MSQ is equal if not better than those useless HMs.

3.1 doesn't have tons of content but it's not noticeably less than before.

This and don't forget the Pet Battle. Both new systems will have taken a lot of development time.
If 3.15 brings Relic and an additional Side Quest Chain in mid. December, than I take that model for the future with bigger Content for 3.x Patches and some smaler Content in between of 3.x5 Patches.

Anyway, I want to see al Relic Weapons, show them to us SE

I much prefer the tighter story quests. Every quest served a purpose and moved the story forward. No longer do I need to go fetch some ingredients for a herbal tea because precious minfilia is stressed out. Or being asked to check on Staflbon (guy that lets you into Cid's workshop in Mor Dhona) to see if he needs a hand with anything! Like wtf?! I hope they stick with this format for the story it was very engaging.

I felt that the MSQ quests were a bit thin, but that the Void Ark story made up for it. The final cutscene there was as beefy as any in the 3.1 chain.

The new dungeons were beautifully designed, but the quest lead ins were not exciting at all. It's like someone spent all their effort on a perfect science project, with beautiful printed labels and perfect charts and graphs and rock solid results, then realized the morning of the science fair that they'd never actually written up the "introduction" or "conclusion" for their display board, and hastily slapped it onto the display in marker at the last second.