starting to charge at SW: TOR release is a horrid idea

**Zumi** · 10-14-2011 06:42 PM

They aren't getting my money, I am waiting for 2.0 personally. I am not paying for a unfinished beta quality game which still lacks a lot of basic mmo features.

**Karst** · 10-14-2011 06:42 PM

Honestly, Ver.2.0 looks promising, but the fact that it's full completion isn't planned for more than a year down the road is killer. I for one will more than likely wait it out, and if I'm still interested in this game, check it out when 2.0 is in full swing. Till then, SW:TOR, TES:Skyrim, and other games will hopefully keep me busy.

On the note of charging starting in November, I do believe it's a bit too early to start this, they could at least wait for some of the 2.0 features to be thrown in before they deem the game any different than it is now. The only thing that rather bugs me is the fact that I'm one of those people who bought the collectors edition hoping the game was going to be like this up coming 2.0 from release, but played for less than a month and have let the game sit there collecting dust since.

**Azurymber** · 10-14-2011 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Isaaru

dont feel like reading this whole thread, but seriously? do you think all of the changes they showed us they are making is free? this game has been COMPLETELY free for over a year do you have any grasp of how much these servers cost to keep up? If you want to see the changes to make this game worth paying, you're going to have to start paying early for SE to make them. Think of it as an investment.

seeking an investment is only useful if people are willing to invest.

**darkstarpoet1** · 10-14-2011 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Isaaru

dont feel like reading this whole thread, but seriously? do you think all of the changes they showed us they are making is free? this game has been COMPLETELY free for over a year do you have any grasp of how much these servers cost to keep up? If you want to see the changes to make this game worth paying, you're going to have to start paying early for SE to make them. Think of it as an investment.

we already did invest when we bought the game and bought the crysta to use on it. quite frankly, if they start charging now i will just let my crysta sit in the account and will not use it until the game gets great reviews on mmorpg. we invested in what should have been a finished product and got partially completed garbage. now they remove this and that and add nothing to replace it and we are left with an even less completed piece of trash.

if you come up and ask me to float you money to do something and you don't do it the first time there's no way i will invest more of my money on you until you get it right.

**GreatLeviathan** · 10-14-2011 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Isaaru

dont feel like reading this whole thread, but seriously? do you think all of the changes they showed us they are making is free? this game has been COMPLETELY free for over a year do you have any grasp of how much these servers cost to keep up? If you want to see the changes to make this game worth paying, you're going to have to start paying early for SE to make them. Think of it as an investment.

Did you forget to read the part where they said FREE OF CHARGE.

**LemmingKingXXX** · 10-14-2011 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Isaaru

dont feel like reading this whole thread, but seriously? do you think all of the changes they showed us they are making is free? this game has been COMPLETELY free for over a year do you have any grasp of how much these servers cost to keep up? If you want to see the changes to make this game worth paying, you're going to have to start paying early for SE to make them. Think of it as an investment.

may as well add to the other sentiments, but no I do not have any concept of how much it costs to maintain an MMO for free for about a year when the business model was based on it being a subscription service
The question is, would any of that information affect my opinion as to the state of the game and how I feel about their decision to start charging so far in advance of a complete re-imagining? It would not. I believe it to be too much too fast, and a repeat of the sentiment that got this game into the trouble it started with.

**Miliant** · 10-14-2011 07:09 PM

If I consider the FFXIV's monthly payment an investment, I'm basically being asked to fund FFXIV's development.

Now the thing is, as I see it, I'm not supposed to be paying for the game's development. I'm a customer, not an investor, I already paid top dollar for a Collector's Edition and my monthly fee should be used to fund a good service. Unfortunately, given that this is not the case and that the changes they promise are so far in the horizon, I see no reason for me to fund the 1.20 through 1.99 FFXIV beta. I will come back when 2.0 hits and if it's as good as they promise it'll be, I'll gladly pay for it.

**Misha** · 10-14-2011 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Azurymber

FFXIV attracted a lot of people into "story" since the FF series and FFXI were story heavy.

SW: TOR is pretty well the newest MMO out there and heavily story driven. It also has a huge amount of preorders.

Starting to charge right when a competitor is releasing a much better rated product is a really bad idea business wise

On the other hand the "new" version of the game looks -epic.- It would seem a much better idea to start charging -then- rather than now and lose subscriptions.

Not to mention the fact they are only 50% done ... add in the fact that there are an INSANE amount of AAA games coming out from now till spring next year , including probably one of the biggest mmo releases ever, in the same month of FF going Pay to play ... you have GOT to wonder... who the **** in their right mind would decide to charge for 14 starting near end of this year?! This has got to be one of the worst gaming business decisions I've seen in a LONG time!!! At LEAST have the half of brain it takes to know you should wait at least a month or two after... say feb or so?

Charging once 1.21 is live would be PERFECT IMO (If they can't in fact wait till 2.0 is out!) ^^

**DonMega** · 10-14-2011 08:37 PM

The way I see it, it doesn't matter if they want to charge now and lets say 90% of the player base stops playing/paying they will still move forward with their plans and plenty of those player will come back for the 2.0 free trail as well as new players if they get to free trail it aswell and see what FFXIV can truly be after about another year of work. Let's face it they are not making any money off this game now so what can it really hurt lol.

**iniside** · 10-14-2011 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Isaaru

dont feel like reading this whole thread, but seriously? do you think all of the changes they showed us they are making is free? this game has been COMPLETELY free for over a year do you have any grasp of how much these servers cost to keep up? If you want to see the changes to make this game worth paying, you're going to have to start paying early for SE to make them. Think of it as an investment.

Server maintain is one of the smallest costs while upkeeping MMO. I don't know where that Myths about server costs originated but it's pure Myth.
True costs are development, and after that mainting product.
By any means. FFXIV should be under development because it's far from being complete. If you want to pay for incomplete product. Your wish.
I won't.
Especially if so many great games showing on horizon..

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