How a Meridianum and Praetoreum run should be!

[Whiteroom]

And here I thought in a group, majority rules, or some compromize leaning towards that was the most decent way to do things... guess I was wrong, the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.

[Gilraen]

"The needs of the many~" only applies in regards to noble sacrifices. The line only ever spouted when, in their sacrifice, something better is brought about (Khaaaa~n~!). There's nothing noble in telling someone new to a dungeon to skip the cutscenes or return when they 'stop sucking' just so you can shave off a few minutes off your time. That's just being a douche'.

[Whiteroom]

Interesting that you assume it is stated that way...

[CrimsonThunder]

So an extra 15-20 minutes of your time is far more important than a new player getting an amazing experience for the first time that they'll never get to recapture following a good story from 1-50?

Spin it all you want, you're just impatient and don't care about anyone below you.

[Whiteroom]

So an extra 15-20 minutes of your time is far more important than a new player getting an amazing experience for the first time that they'll never get to recapture following a good story from 1-50?

Spin it all you want, you're just impatient and don't care about anyone below you.

Amazing experience? Well that's a matter of opinion. And yes, you could consider in a majority situation that the time of the majority is more important. Hell, time being important is the only reason the roulette is even there.

And actually the group is what is important to me, maybe you care about their level or level of experience more than I do since you brought it up. I don't mind going slow if a good chunk want it, I don't mind going fast. If we have one who wants a full clear and another who wants fast, I usually go middle of the road. There are days when I prefer one over the other, cause you know, variaty is the life of spice or some such.


But you know, you can spin it all you like if it gives you that self-rightous tingle.


Also, with unsync, it's easy to low man it and get the full experience. Or if doing it a level is your cup of tea, and your against low unsync, be a man and make a min ilvl group for the real experience.

[Ykronix]

I'm still in the opinion that if you choose to use DF, you SHOULD be expecting new and inexperienced players joining you. And you SHOULD be accommodating, for the sole reason that they most likely have lesser alternatives than you, someone whose been playing for a good while.

In the same breath, I think Party finder should be more encouraged. When people go through the MSQ and they encounter a dungeon in order to progress, the message usually states to use DF. So honestly, the DF party would be more like a 'learning party' than anything (and in my experience, progressing through MSQ, I honestly had little to no idea PF as an alternative), and to expect otherwise is pretty selfish.

[Eylirria]

You can view the cutscene afterwards, as many times as you want.

Without bothering anyone.

[Whiteroom]

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A little off topic, but I would also like to see the party finder pushed harder. There seems to be a large fear of using it floating around. Look at all these, "it's wrong to want experience of any kind in your pf" threads/comments. People are called elitests for it, by people crying about the lack of learning parties in it, ones that every single person who complains has the ability to make themselves.

[Melondra]

"The Problem isn't the "Party Finder" Its How the Community Uses it defines weather or not it is a good exp. or not.

[Gilraen]

And actually the group is what is important to me...

This seems to be the only thing we agree on. The group is important, everyone from the 'hardcore raider' just wanting their clear to the new player getting their first run. No one person more important than the other. This is the failing of the community, it seems. Most people feel their time is more important than others and 'seditious behavior' from the 'norm' should be chastised or worse. It's like the lalafell in my signature says...