How a Meridianum and Praetoreum run should be!

[Gaddes]

Ive said it before and ill say it again, remove the vote kick ability in these 2 dungeons.

And then there will be people that afk in there for the easy clears while everyone else is forced to either leave or do their work for them.

I agree there needs to be something done to make dungeons more newbie-friendly, but that is not it.

[Devils_Lawyer]

And then there will be people that afk in there for the easy clears while everyone else is forced to either leave or do their work for them.

I agree there needs to be something done to make dungeons more newbie-friendly, but that is not it.

Fair enough but how about removing vote kick on anyone that is doing the dungeon for the first time then?

Now sure it would technically be possible for that person to do nothing but then you still have 7 veterans to roll thru the dungeon with ease.

[Hayward]

As has been said a million times in a million other copy/pasted topics, those 2 dungeons are not designed for hyperactive jokers with Mountain Dew in an IV drip who think every game has to be like Call of Duty.

Fixed for accuracy.

[Iz_Lemon]

The problem with those two dungeons, and it was a poor design decision that square enix has since never repeated, is that the cutscenes are too long and too many.

While I respect your position to want to play the dungeon the way you want to play it, you also have to understand that if you are the only new player running it with seven people doing roulette, you need to be a bit more considerate of other people's time (rather than, as you put it, "politely" telling them to "shove it"). You realise you are playing with actual people that may have things to do, don't you? These people running the roulette, and doing repeat runs after clearing it, are the only reason your que doesn't take hours.

When I ran these dungeons the first time, like many it was my first exposure to the level 50 crowd, and I wasn't prepared for the cutscene skipping and "impatience", etc. But then I really looked at what these cutscenes were and what was involved, and made the decision to go with the group and watch the cutscenes later. Which was fine. You are playing with a group and the polite thing to do is go with the group instead of chucking a defiant tantrum. If you want to run and watch all cutscenes, make a pf. Expecting seven people to devote an extra half hour of their time so you can watch the can defiantly watch the cutscenes then and there... there's nothing really right about that. If the group agrees to do it for you, good on them, and you should be super grateful rather than stating that that is how it should be. If they don't, show a bit more respect.

[NovaLevossida]

As Spock says, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Your time isn't worth more than the rest of the party's time. I understand the desire to see the story, but this also isn't a single player game, so you would need to find a group that agrees with what you want to do. They're not any worse for not wanting the entire group to conform to one person's wishes.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

About a year ago my FC was helping one of our new members and her WHM friend through Prae. We weren't sure how many people were going. I was on BLM when my FC leader (PLD) told me to switch to WAR so we could have all the important jobs covered in the FC. That way impatient DPS were forced to wait.

[IndigoHawk]

As Spock says, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Your time isn't worth more than the rest of the party's time. I understand the desire to see the story, but this also isn't a single player game, so you would need to find a group that agrees with what you want to do. They're not any worse for not wanting the entire group to conform to one person's wishes.

Wrong. SE settled the debate by giving everyone a bonus when people have to *gasp* let someone else play and enjoy the game. People in these threads always say the same wrong things about how they're entitled to speed run over new people's fun AND get the new player bonus at the same time. Nope. Earn the bonus by waiting and being patient or don't do the roulette since it's too hard to understand the concept of being compensated for your time.

To OP, glad you held out for the new player experience and grats on finding some gamers who know how to have fun gaming.

[szalkerous]

Watching all the cutscenes is over 20 minutes, longer than the whole run itself takes, in cm. It's even longer in prae. I wouldn't have kicked you, but I wouldn't have waited for you either. That's a lot of time to demand from 7 strangers.

As Spock says, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Your time isn't worth more than the rest of the party's time.

This. When I cleared these for the first time, I kindly skipped and watched afterwards. It's hardly courteous to be so narcissistic to expect 7 other people to cater to me. I will only run the main scenario roulette as a healer now, so I can contribute to getting it done ASAP. I (and most other over-geared healers) can solo heal that whole thing, almost on HOTs alone. I don't mind dragging the newbies through, but I'm certainly not interested in waiting for them while they eat popcorn and watch movies for 20 minutes.

PS: I'd gladly forfeit the new player bonus to halve the time I spend in there.

[Iz_Lemon]

Wrong. SE settled the debate by giving everyone a bonus when people have to *gasp* let someone else play and enjoy the game. People in these threads always say the same wrong things about how they're entitled to speed run over new people's fun AND get the new player bonus at the same time. Nope. Earn the bonus by waiting and being patient or don't do the roulette since it's too hard to understand the concept of being compensated for your time.

Roulette bonuses were given to funnel players back into old content and so ques are actually filled. Without roulettes, the ques for old content can just simply never fill (e.g. CT1, 2 and 3 now). It wasn't to encourage players to sit through those massive cutscenes. Just... be grateful these people are doing the content at all. If the party as a whole votes to charge ahead, be polite and just watch the cutscenes later.

[Violyre]

While I respect your position to want to play the dungeon the way you want to play it, you also have to understand that if you are the only new player running it with seven people doing roulette, you need to be a bit more considerate of other people's time (rather than, as you put it, "politely" telling them to "shove it"). You realise you are playing with actual people that may have things to do, don't you? These people running the roulette, and doing repeat runs after clearing it, are the only reason your que doesn't take hours.

When I ran these dungeons the first time, like many it was my first exposure to the level 50 crowd, and I wasn't prepared for the cutscene skipping and "impatience", etc. But then I really looked at what these cutscenes were and what was involved, and made the decision to go with the group and watch the cutscenes later. Which was fine. You are playing with a group and the polite thing to do is go with the group instead of chucking a defiant tantrum. If you want to run and watch all cutscenes, make a pf. Expecting seven people to devote an extra half hour of their time so you can watch the can defiantly watch the cutscenes then and there... there's nothing really right about that. If the group agrees to do it for you, good on them, and you should be super grateful rather than stating that that is how it should be. If they don't, show a bit more respect.

You'll note that I wasn't the only one new, which I said in my original post, I was a healer, and the other new person was the other healer. The cutscene we got yelled at for was after the first boss. They hadn't even gotten the incedinaries for the pipes yet, which with people decked out in raid HW gear (which makes their gear sync to the top levels), should not have a problem without a healer.

We're still talking TRASH mobs here. I soloed my way at WHM51 to the first boss before I tried duty finder. You have way more power than needed with four DPS, probably even for bosses.

So they sat at like the second trash pull and started whining because we were watching. I don't have my chat on during CS anyways. I mentioned that, knowing it would be mostly roulette, I figured people would just keep plowing through. That's how most of my runs of that go. As I was focused on the story, I told them I wouldn't be skipping and explained my reasons.

I told them to just keep going, but they DEMANDED a healer. They proceeded to try to insult me and what I was doing. I won't quote the ugly words. It was then that I told them to shove it. They had already put out the vote kick by then, evidenced by their "bye-bye"s and the like.

I understand the feelings that "they're volunteering to help you when they choose it," but one, it's not volunteer, they're clearly there for their daily tokens, and two, they should know the inherent risks of entering.

Their time is not the center of the universe, nor is mine. I have my reasons for entering, and they have theirs. There was no reason they needed to clash, but they made it so.

Also, I tried party finder before that. It didn't work.