Harassment of DoL in Diadem via DF

[Hanmerreborn]

This right here,

and atleast 80-90% of the gathers i've encountered do indeed loot for the items they don't do anything for. If that is the case i wanna get their loot too. What are they doing for me? or the party? nothing. What are we doing for them? Everything since they just keep looting the items.

Uhh...you do get what we gather. Any chest we spawn is randomly gifted to people in the party without rolls.

[Loony_BoB]

Uhh...you do get what we gather. Any chest we spawn is randomly gifted to people in the party without rolls.

I'm a DoL/DoH "main" and that stuff has nothing on i210 gear. Like, there are some really great mats you can get (red scrip ones) but as, for example, a FSH I would never lot on gear from killed monsters.

This is why they need to change the system to need/greed instead of greed only. And fix it so you can't change jobs while there is loot to be rolled for.

[Hanmerreborn]

I'm a DoL/DoH "main" and that stuff has nothing on i210 gear. Like, there are some really great mats you can get (red scrip ones) but as, for example, a FSH I would never lot on gear from killed monsters.

This is why they need to change the system to need/greed instead of greed only. And fix it so you can't change jobs while there is loot to be rolled for.

Once again, not our problem but squeenixes. They chose what's in the chests, made it so gatherers are incentivized to gather the full 90 mins, and made no method of getting in there without disguising ourselves as DoW/M.

But to say you don't get our loot is just wrong.

[Loony_BoB]

Sorry, let's rephrase. The other guys won't get 99% of the value of your loot. The odd Purified Coke (once very 90 minutes or so you can get a red scrip item) and some fire clusters doesn't amount to anything remotely near i210, and to my knowledge it isn't possible to fish up a gold chest.

[Blitzace]

Sorry, let's rephrase. The other guys won't get 99% of the value of your loot. The odd Purified Coke (once very 90 minutes or so you can get a red scrip item) and some fire clusters doesn't amount to anything remotely near i210, and to my knowledge it isn't possible to fish up a gold chest.

QFT.

I'm not interested in your gathers item, For all i care you stick em where the sun doesn't shine.
What i'm interested in is how ever people playing as a group, And if people do not wanna do that, Atleast have respect for your fellow-party members and do not lot on the stuff you did nothing for.

[Welsper59]

But that's just it, Diadem is open ended content. Why isn't it selfish then for others to try to limit my play by harassing me? I see both sides, I really do, it does mess things up a little bit, but why am I the one who is selfish? Just because I'm in the minority of ppl who don't want to grind mobs EVERY time I go into diadem.

Like you said Blitz, ppl in DF aren't exactly know for pushing good dps, so why then are people even going through DF to farm mobs? What's stopping others from making a PF for grinding loot? Because gathering isn't the "main" diadem thing? When your FC airship is out on a venture and you wait almost 2 hrs to fill a gathering party, the DF is the only choice, and that's picking from everyone so you why not be more mindful of that?

Think about the point of the Diadem. Think about how you can even queue for the place. The requirement isn't a gatherer. That right there raises a flag about what the primary purpose of what the content is. You're well aware of the bads in the group. You SHOULD feel bad about not helping on the matter. Gathering is a second thought for the design of the place. I've had numerous Diadems with not just gatherers in the group, but full on AFK-loot leechers. Somehow, I doubt you'd even notice this being a thing until it's too late and people either drop or morale has run low to even bother. You were no help on the matter for it by assuming people should coddle your intentions.

There are people here that claim that 3 people alone would be able to get enough credit under any given circumstance. Sure... if you happen to only be fighting with a small number of people from other groups. If there are multiple full parties in the area, those V and Star ranks aren't going to last long enough for 3 people to do enough damage. What happens when there aren't enough parties in the area in general? Gonna just farm III's and die all the time with 2-3 DPS and no tank or heals?

If you're going to gather, clear it with the DF group first. You obviously understand the "main" reason for Diadem being a thing. It is 100% selfish on the gatherers part to overlook these things. Under such situations, you do not deserve to be considered for thought, just as you seem to refuse to consider the primary purpose of Diadem for being the reason an overwhelming majority go there. The frustration stems not just from the significant amount of gatherers who refuse to partake in the main purpose of the content, but the AFKers as well.

Again, if the group isn't okay with it, you're just adding fuel to the fire INTENTIONALLY. Don't get me wrong, in general, it's fine to gather. In fact, if it's not a gathering dominant group, I tend to tell people that we can reserve the last 30min of the instance for the objectives and gathering if people want to. Know why? Because I understand that 90min these days is a long time. I understand that most people are there for the loot and combat side of things. I also take into consideration that people want to gather, at least a little. Hell, I'm one of them. Unlike you and many others though, I'm willing to compromise EVERY TIME. I also understand how poor of an attitude that people tend to get in an unorganized group if they immediately see a gatherer from the start (even if it's for the purpose of the objectives). The negative stigma is already in-place, and I'd rather not push it, which is why I mention that last 30min bit. I also understand that we will inevitably have at least 1 AFKer in the group, though 2-3 of them is becoming more frequent, which is also why I prefer that people save the gathering until the the latter half. THAT is an example of being mindful of others.

[Hanmerreborn]

I don't have to clear anything with anyone. You're not my mother, or my wife.

And don't give me crap that diadem isn't designed for gatherers/crafters when they have an entire system in place where the only way to get materials for any of the new crafts is IN diadem. And it's the only reliable and inexpensive way other than hoping muta and RNGesus blesses you to get tier IV materia for gathers and crafts.

Don't like it, either drop group or complain to squeenix for the terrible system they put in place.

Hate the game, not the player. I'm not the one that made steel spoils near impossible to farm quickly.

[Eight]

@Eight

First off all why should the bigger group adjust to the minority? One two persons can do what ever they want to screw with the others, mean while the others should just suck it up?
Don't tell me 6-7 people should make a PF cause one of the other players are selfish ..........

If you want to guarantee a full party then you PF it. The whole entire purpose of DF is for everyone to do what they need not just what you or your group wants.Why shouldn't the larger party have to make a PF please either way you wanna look at it if you think I'm being selfish well guess what I think you or your group is being selfish by entering DF and expecting people to do what you want. If so many people wanna complain about gatherers in the DF then there should be plenty of you to make a party then.

Do you honestly think people who gather don't try and make parties? I do it everyday the only issue for gatherers is if you get a PF with 4 people, people will bitch as opposed to a party of 7 hunters who can easily handle the content.You just get pissed cause you can't go farm Dino island without putting a little extra effort in when there is 12 other islands your group could easily go and farm by yourself you just want your loot easy. Gatherer numbers are not as great as the hunters and putting a full gatherer party together can be very difficult most of the time and any way you wanna look at it people are gonna complain about gatherers we can't win that's why we go to DF because it's for everyone not just you or your group.

[Stormfur]

I usually help kill stuff for an hour and then gather the last 30 minutes. If there's a V or a star in those 30 mins, I'll come help. I won't roll on loot during the time I'm gathering. Seems like a pretty easy compromise.

[chibaby]

I needed on my class and everyone got upset I don't understand the greed thing it kind of let down