Harassment of DoL in Diadem via DF

[RaineAmorie]

But that's just it, Diadem is open ended content. Why isn't it selfish then for others to try to limit my play by harassing me? I see both sides, I really do, it does mess things up a little bit, but why am I the one who is selfish? Just because I'm in the minority of ppl who don't want to grind mobs EVERY time I go into diadem.

Like you said Blitz, ppl in DF aren't exactly know for pushing good dps, so why then are people even going through DF to farm mobs? What's stopping others from making a PF for grinding loot? Because gathering isn't the "main" diadem thing? When your FC airship is out on a venture and you wait almost 2 hrs to fill a gathering party, the DF is the only choice, and that's picking from everyone so you why not be more mindful of that?

[Welsper59]

But that's just it, Diadem is open ended content. Why isn't it selfish then for others to try to limit my play by harassing me? I see both sides, I really do, it does mess things up a little bit, but why am I the one who is selfish? Just because I'm in the minority of ppl who don't want to grind mobs EVERY time I go into diadem.

Like you said Blitz, ppl in DF aren't exactly know for pushing good dps, so why then are people even going through DF to farm mobs? What's stopping others from making a PF for grinding loot? Because gathering isn't the "main" diadem thing? When your FC airship is out on a venture and you wait almost 2 hrs to fill a gathering party, the DF is the only choice, and that's picking from everyone so you why not be more mindful of that?

Think about the point of the Diadem. Think about how you can even queue for the place. The requirement isn't a gatherer. That right there raises a flag about what the primary purpose of what the content is. You're well aware of the bads in the group. You SHOULD feel bad about not helping on the matter. Gathering is a second thought for the design of the place. I've had numerous Diadems with not just gatherers in the group, but full on AFK-loot leechers. Somehow, I doubt you'd even notice this being a thing until it's too late and people either drop or morale has run low to even bother. You were no help on the matter for it by assuming people should coddle your intentions.

There are people here that claim that 3 people alone would be able to get enough credit under any given circumstance. Sure... if you happen to only be fighting with a small number of people from other groups. If there are multiple full parties in the area, those V and Star ranks aren't going to last long enough for 3 people to do enough damage. What happens when there aren't enough parties in the area in general? Gonna just farm III's and die all the time with 2-3 DPS and no tank or heals?

If you're going to gather, clear it with the DF group first. You obviously understand the "main" reason for Diadem being a thing. It is 100% selfish on the gatherers part to overlook these things. Under such situations, you do not deserve to be considered for thought, just as you seem to refuse to consider the primary purpose of Diadem for being the reason an overwhelming majority go there. The frustration stems not just from the significant amount of gatherers who refuse to partake in the main purpose of the content, but the AFKers as well.

Again, if the group isn't okay with it, you're just adding fuel to the fire INTENTIONALLY. Don't get me wrong, in general, it's fine to gather. In fact, if it's not a gathering dominant group, I tend to tell people that we can reserve the last 30min of the instance for the objectives and gathering if people want to. Know why? Because I understand that 90min these days is a long time. I understand that most people are there for the loot and combat side of things. I also take into consideration that people want to gather, at least a little. Hell, I'm one of them. Unlike you and many others though, I'm willing to compromise EVERY TIME. I also understand how poor of an attitude that people tend to get in an unorganized group if they immediately see a gatherer from the start (even if it's for the purpose of the objectives). The negative stigma is already in-place, and I'd rather not push it, which is why I mention that last 30min bit. I also understand that we will inevitably have at least 1 AFKer in the group, though 2-3 of them is becoming more frequent, which is also why I prefer that people save the gathering until the the latter half. THAT is an example of being mindful of others.