Harassment of DoL in Diadem via DF

[Eight]

I've been doing a reasonable amount of Diadem since patch, been to both hm and normal. I've always gone through my FC, PF or LS's for farming because of the dps you need to get chests, makes sense.

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I've had the same thing so many times now. First thing I do is try to put a party together via PF but most of the time there is no one. I literally just got out of a run where this grown adult acted like a complete child because I was fishing. I would have gladly helped on the S ranks but this person decides to harass and even decided to come over and pull mobs on me.

It's gotten tiresome, really tiresome. I go into Diadem to gather because there is stuff I need there that I can't get outside of it. As for people saying make a party in PF for gathering well people do and no one joins a good majority of a time butthat shouldn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to do the comment and hey how about YOU make a grinding party it goes both ways.

I've been in runs with other gatherers and you know they are some of the nicest people and agree to pass on the loot and all but man they need to figure something out. They should honestly just let you go to Diadem with no party to gather, maybe on a separate instance where there are no mobs or just small mobs that a player and their chocobo can handle.

[Hanmerreborn]

Well if some chucklehead didn't decide that in order for crafters/gathers to actually meet the crafting/gathering requirements need full HQ pentamelded gear, and then only supply a single place in the entire game to get that materia.

And then deciding instead of allowing a choice in diadem by just giving conversions from brass <-> steel, someone gladly piped up and said "hey, no one at all complained about the grinding for favors. Let's give them something even more grindy, and we won't even allow them to stealth to do it!". And there was much rejoicing.

I ****ing hate gather grinding. But I also want to make high house glamour to make the gil to buy the damn rank V materia that I need to even look at the sky pirate gear (full HQ 60 has me 90 control short) that you can't even attempt through spirit binding. And the rate of steel is so low I've been lucky to hit 6 each time I've been in there.

[Nicobo]

...I've always gone through my FC, PF or LS's for farming because of the dps you need to get chests, makes sense....

If you go into the Diadem via DF you're opening yourself up to every method of play, don't be selfish and ruin other people's time because you don't like the way they're playing...

Other ppl may not have a gathering job ^^; Please be considerate.

[ess-vid]

Well of course they're harassing you, you won't carry them.

People are angry because they're being forced to lie in the bed they made. We've had two years of content where people that pull numbers that are half of baseline for their ilvl, can't handle basic mechanics, and half the time don't know the fundamentals of their job have been bounced through content because the choices were always put in twice the effort to muddle through or eat the lockout, because expecting things like the tank in EXDR to understand group threat is *gasp* elitist.
Now we have Diadem, and people are unhappy because they're getting their nose rubbed in their mess. Guess what, there's no singular goal! If I want to fish, I can fish! My problem is "do I have enough bait to last the timer". The i190+ guys pulling 500 DPS preventing them from getting kill credit? The ice mages, the "ruin is useless" SMNs, the no-positional MNKs, the no gauss/minuet ranged? That's their problem, and if they want their 210 gear so bad they should yell at them instead of crying that the one serious player in their group is off hitting trees instead of carrying seven people to a higher ilvl.

It's not hard, people. I went into Normal mode on a gather-friendly group, all of the poopsock elite raiders went off to gather and the three casual players that just wanted to fight stuff went off to do their thing. We got full credit on everything they fought. That's right, three "lol I only play on the weekends" guys were cleaning house no problem regardless of mob rank. Yet this forum is full of people screaming about DoL "leeches" that are ruining everything because getting credit with seven people is impossible (when they're bad)! But no one wants to practice a bit of introspection and think that maybe they should up their game a bit, not when it's easier to pick a scapegoat and use red herrings like "looting without fighting" (which makes me laugh, how many of those people do you think make an effort to find the gatherer that got the chest that autolotted that purified coke to them so they can give it to the person that "earned" it?) so they can shift blame.

[KeluBehemoth]

If the content was intended for you to be gathering the entire time, you would be able to que as a gatherer. You can gather to complete objectives, thats it. Thats the only reason.

[Eul]

My FC neighbor and me usually do gathering when it's 20-30 mins left.

[Blitzace]

Not gonna read the entire thread,

But if you're gonna queue up with a friend to gather, thats a nono. meaning 2 people less to claim DMG on mobs. they will high likely not get any drops. If you wanna gather i suggest either queuing alone or make a PF For it.
How ever, i do respect the fact that you guys did not lot anything.

I'm fine with someone gathering, but the main purpose there is farming loot. And that is not gonna happen if multiple people focus on gathering, i'm sorry to say that but it is the harsh truth. And yes, its a design flaw, i usually gather the last 5-10 minutes cause i do not plan on screwing 7 other people over for my own personal goals or what ever you wanna call it.

[LeeraSorlan]

Do what you want, close party chat if its truly bad.

People will be toxic with anything they disagree with

[RaineAmorie]

the main purpose there is farming loot. And that is not gonna happen if multiple people focus on gathering

Is that the MAIN purpose tho? The mats I gather from nodes are hidden items from other nodes, so it saves me a lot of time to gather there. My FC mates were getting chests from mobs with a group of 4 yesterday, it's all about focusing on the same target.

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I just don't see how it makes me selfish to want to gather when the other guy is going to curse and slander me when I'm playing the game AS INTENDED. Isn't it selfish to expect someone else to do what you want them to do, just because you don't like what they're doing? I don't expect anything to change tbh, but honestly if you're going to cry and ruin someone's day because things didn't go the way you want, you don't deserve that 210 gear. And tbh, when I'm gathering, I'm not looting so I'm missing out on spoils for the run. Both sides are losing something, the issue here is the disrespect and verbal abuse thrown at gatherers.

I also think people forget all this loot is random, it's not like if you miss a chest your losing your epic 210 gear, most of it is pretty regular and only really an increase in ilvl.

[Blitzace]

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1st of all, I'm not crying cause i'm not doing diadem. Only did it for the mount And even then i only said something to the people that were gathering if they still were lotting items.
Secondly, If your PT isn't able to get the chests due you two(Yes not one, but two) gathering, I would call that selfish yes, Then again, so are most people i've encountered in diadem.

Either go with the group, or screw up 7 others people loot/time. You should just make a PF if you wanna gather, Like i've seen done so many times already on my server.
Why you would go in as a incomplete PT to then gather instead of doing the main thing diadem is for is beyond me.

Like i said before, One person gathering is fine. Two? three? goodbye chests, And yes i've had party's that could do it with 4 people. Maybe even 3? But you damn well know you have to have a solid PT that is able to push DPS.
And what is DF Known for? Exactly, not pushing dps.