why during cutscene its always like this ... (small spoiler)

[RiceisNice]

Yes, we fought the primals alone. It's confirmed in the story numerous times. From our character standing alone in the aftermath of each fight, to which the Ascians always credit us solely with it's defeat and no mention of a team, to the scene after we face the derplander where Alph expresses his surprise that there is anyone else besides us capable of culling a primal, and if there was we would have known about it.

Other scenarios such as void ark, praetorium, and I believe Ramuh references the Warriors of Light, as well as you bringing in a party of elite adventurerers/sell swords.

[Kallera]

Other scenarios such as void ark, praetorium, and I believe Ramuh references the Warriors of Light, as well as you bringing in a party of elite adventurerers/sell swords.

Not all of them. In heavensward in particular you are depicted doing a lot of the feats there alone, without any party members in sight.

Only you face the knights of the round.
Only you get eaten by Bismarck.
And iirc, only you are around to see lahabrea's death.

[RiceisNice]

Not all of them. In heavensward in particular you are depicted doing a lot of the feats there alone, without any party members in sight.

Only you face the knights of the round.
Only you get eaten by Bismarck.
And iirc, only you are around to see lahabrea's death.

It's a matter of inconsistent depiction. In the same vein of Bismack, you had an entire party with your on your little floating island. Praetorium and other instances (steps of faith off the top of my head) directly refers to you getting an elite group of adventurers, greg acknowledges "fighting all eight of you...". Even in the likes of Ifrit normal when you got captured, the NPCs practically handweave that you can still escape from capture and (paraphrasing) "come back with a group of companions", all of which at the bare minimum would have at least possessed the echo to be able to resist being tempered.

It's not out of the question that there are multiple people who are blessed with the echo, let alone being a chosen of Hyadelyn (since Y'sayle is one herself). The other explaination is that there is a singular warrior of light, and the player character is reliving their experiences through the echo.

As Krile has explained to us, there are lots of different warriors of light. Heck, anyone with the posession of the echo is considered a warrior of light, but this is not the same as the Warrior of Light we play. You can tell even when you first encounter the derplander and he says "So you are the warrior of light, savior etc" I doubt he's running around saying that to every single Warrior of light he runs into. While there are many different incarnations of the warriors of light, like Krile, they all have their own role. But in accordance to the canon of our individual story, we are the only warrior of light capable of the feats we see in the game.

There is also a matter of you being a warrior of light, and you being the warrior of light that's throwing the equilibrium out of balance, whether or not the last statement remains to be true or not-the-whole-truth because this is coming out of an Ascian's mouth.

[KyahAlmasy]

It's a matter of inconsistent depiction. In the same vein of Bismack, you had an entire party with your on your little floating island. Praetorium and other instances (steps of faith off the top of my head) directly refers to you getting an elite group of adventurers, greg acknowledges "fighting all eight of you..."

It's not out of the question that there are multiple people who are blessed with the echo, let alone being a chosen of Hyadelyn (since Y'sayle is one herself). The other explaination is that there is a singular warrior of light, and the player character is reliving their experiences through the echo.

According to the canon of the story, it is only you that takes on these fights. Even in Prae, when you all gather to take down Lahabrea when he's posessing Thancred, you don't see your party with you, you see yourself and the scions. The fact that in story cutscenes you are ALWAYS alone, and are referred to has the the "one" who defeated so-and-so is evidence in it's own. Even Alph says that he wasn't aware of anyone else who could take on the primals, and was shocked to see the WoD do so. Why would that be the case if adventurers like us were a dime a dozen?

Your taking game mechanics too seriously. It's like saying, because our character can survive a spear through the chest in gameplay, that we would be able to do so in a cutscene as well.

[RiceisNice]

Your taking game mechanics too seriously. It's like saying, because our character can survive a spear through the chest in gameplay, that we would be able to do so in a cutscene as well.

That's sort of the thing, even if you are the one that dealt the finishing blow on Lahabrea or the likes (solidifying that you are the warrior of the light), every other circumstance behind it (such as praetorium in general) is done with a band of people. The player character isn't doing the entirety of the encounters by themselves, but were involved, if not the most prominent figure during those encounters. It calls onto the question on just how powerful the player characters are by themselves, because at times while you are clearly leading the charge, and if not being the only one involved in some encounters, the background behind it is that you had still gathered a group of people together to accomplish such tasks.

We could ignore the handweaves at times where the story and npcs refer to you gathering a band of people together, but it still becomes a reoccuring inconsitency to the story. My point is that our player characters isn't straight up soloing everything, but are infact still can be the individual that is referred to as the warrior of light, they're not exclusive from each other. My point is also that there can be multiple people who possess the echo as well as people who are blessed/chosen by Hyadelyn, not just the player character.

[KyahAlmasy]

That's sort of the thing, even if you are the one that dealt the finishing blow on Lahabrea or the likes (solidifying that you are the warrior of the light), every other circumstance behind it (such as praetorium in general) is done with a band of people. The player character isn't doing the entirety of the encounters by themselves, but were involved, if not the most prominent figure during those encounters. It calls onto the question on just how powerful the player characters are by themselves, because at times while you are clearly leading the charge, and if not being the only one involved in some encounters, the background behind it is that you had still gathered a group of people together to accomplish such tasks.

We could ignore the handweaves at times where the story and npcs refer to you gathering a band of people together, but it still becomes a reoccuring inconsitency to the story. My point is that our player characters isn't straight up soloing everything, but are infact still can be the individual that is referred to as the warrior of light, they're not exclusive from each other. My point is also that there can be multiple people who possess the echo as well as people who are blessed/chosen by Hyadelyn, not just the player character.

You're trying to use a few off-hand small cutscenes to rationalize this theory, all of which are always tacked on at the end to usher the player on to finish the content, and yet in any cutscene where these events take place it is only ever our character that is scene in them. Whenever there's a integral cut scene with voice-acting, and true story progression our character is only ever the sole protagonist. Take for instance, "Stone Vigil" where Cid's ship was last seen, and we enter to with a small party to navigate through it, if the story truly wanted to acknowledge their presence why weren't they in the cutscene when Cid, and Alph approach the dragon, or when we encounter the Ascian? How come we escape on the Enterprise with JUST the 3 of us, and none of the previous party members?

I'll tell you again, it's called "Game mechanics." In every game, it's up to the player when to interpret whether or not game mechanics are canon. In Final Fantasy, Game mechanics are hardly ever canonical, especially when they're inconsistent with the main plot of the game. In which here they are. So you decide, which canon are you going to readily accept. the main plot which clearly states that we are the lone adventurer slaying these beasts, or the game mechanic that's directing the "player" to find a party? It's as if someone was to suggest that health bars, and the ui actually DO exist in the real world of Final Fantasy just because we see it on our screen. Honestly, it's a bit of common sense.

And lastly, Alphs sort of confirms that we are the sole warrior of light capable of these feats during the conclusion of our encounter with the derplander. He claims that he was unaware that anyone besides us were capable of taking on primals, and it would have been terrible negligence on their part had they never even heard of them. This sort of puts the nail in the coffin on this subject.

[Delily]

According to the canon of the story, it is only you that takes on these fights. Even in Prae, when you all gather to take down Lahabrea when he's posessing Thancred, you don't see your party with you, you see yourself and the scions. The fact that in story cutscenes you are ALWAYS alone, and are referred to has the the "one" who defeated so-and-so is evidence in it's own. Even Alph says that he wasn't aware of anyone else who could take on the primals, and was shocked to see the WoD do so. Why would that be the case if adventurers like us were a dime a dozen?

Your taking game mechanics too seriously. It's like saying, because our character can survive a spear through the chest in gameplay, that we would be able to do so in a cutscene as well.

I could have sworn that in the Prae, the opening cut scene was you flying on the airship with your party. I believe with the exception of the primal fights, the NPCs usually say "gather your comrades and go forth." Even for the primals, it's always a stretch me to think we did it by ourselves. The Company of Heros all had the Echo, so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect we'd have attracted a core group of warriors who also have the Echo, but are not associated with the Scions.

In 1.0, the Path of the Twelve was Minfilia's organization, where everyone had The Echo. Presumably, most of them were killed during the Calamity, or went into hiding, or were later killed by the Garleans when Waking Sands was attacked. But the echo, while uncommon, is not super incredibly rare.

Personally, I think the Echo is a lot more common than we're told, whereas the Blessing of Light is very rare. I think only the WoL, Shiva, and Krile have it. The cut scenes also mere the 2 together when they seem to be very distinct. As far ask I know, we've only used the Blessing twice?

[KyahAlmasy]

I could have sworn that in the Prae, the opening cut scene was you flying on the airship with your party. I believe with the exception of the primal fights, the NPCs usually say "gather your comrades and go forth." Even for the primals, it's always a stretch me to think we did it by ourselves. The Company of Heros all had the Echo, so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect we'd have attracted a core group of warriors who also have the Echo, but are not associated with the Scions.

And yet, when you arrive in Prae with Cid, what does he say? "You know, a place a warrior of light would go without a thought of personal safety, oh if only one were with us." then looks at us. Well, that would certainly be an odd thing to say to our character should we have a WHOLE group of warriors of light with us, don't you think? And care to explain why we are the only visible opponent when Gaius exclaims "But the Ultima weapon is all-powerful, how does my opponent still stand?" (Note that he's speaking in the singular, "opponent" and not addressing a group of people.) Even when Lahabrea shows up he refers to our characer in the singular, for me he says "It is the blessing of light she possesses that confounds you." In any cut scene of importance we are only ever seen alone. And lastly, since we ALL beat Ultima weapon together, how come the Scions, the leader of each city state and even CID himself outside only acknowledge you, and you are the only one to escape while hitching a ride on your magitek. I guess we left the rest of the adventurer's to die with Gaius? lol And yet, the only evidence that supports this claim of a party of Warriors of light are the short tacked on dialogue boxes asking us to bring along friends? Talk about really pushing the envelope. lol


This reminds me of a tutorial you'd encounter an RPG, where a character in the game goes through how to navigate a menu, or Junction system. While there is no actual menu, or anything, it is a mechanic only included to usher and guide the character in order to help them continue through the content. Honestly, this nit-picking proves no points.

[KyahAlmasy]

The aetheric lightsword/beam wasn't even the Echo or Blessing's doing, but an abundant source of aether you had at the time. You defeated Nabriales using Tupsimati and Igeyorhm with Nidhogg's eye.

Yes the Aetheric sword we used on Lahabrea was due to the echo. The ones we create with the Eye, and Tupsimati are pale imitations of the one Hyd gives us, and aren't nearly as strong either. When we attack Nabriales she even says "Recall the time you struck down Lahabrea with the blade of light" Another example of how much more powerful we become with the power of light, than on our own. Hyd can literally create a blade of light for us without any tools and gather the Aether sufficient enough for our cause. This is why the Ascians are frightened of us. Not because I'm a White Mage, or Ast, but due to the power of light bestowed upon me.

Other scenarios such as void ark, praetorium, and I believe Ramuh references the Warriors of Light, as well as you bringing in a party of elite adventurerers/sell swords.

As Krile has explained to us, there are lots of different warriors of light. Heck, anyone with the posession of the echo is considered a warrior of light, but this is not the same as the Warrior of Light we play. You can tell even when you first encounter the derplander and he says "So you are the warrior of light, savior etc" I doubt he's running around saying that to every single Warrior of light he runs into. While there are many different incarnations of the warriors of light, like Krile, they all have their own role. But in accordance to the canon of our individual story, we are the only warrior of light capable of the feats we see in the game.

[Remus]

Other scenarios such as void ark, praetorium, and I believe Ramuh references the Warriors of Light, as well as you bringing in a party of elite adventurerers/sell swords.

Ramuh doesn't reference as warriors of light or bringing a party with you he only says Bringer of Light meaning just you. It's a trial for you alone as the Bringer of Light trying to make peace between the sylphs and gridanians. People were only there because its a MMO.