why during cutscene its always like this ... (small spoiler)

[dinnertime]

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Just my thoughts. I'm not passing it off as unimportant. With alot of people who want their character to react to scenes, and how the outcome goes exactly the same depending on what choice you make (since I doubt an MMO story would let you have a good/bad ending route or such), they might as well give the adventurer the "silent protagonist" trope, and it becomes lazy.

Believe me, I'd like involvement in my character as well during cutscenes but I see why they went with that, because it's the easiest way to deal with it.

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I wasn't comparing our companion's aid from doing nothing.
And that's not the kind of reaction I was talking about at all. What I meant was what reaction the individual adventurer would show depending on their character, personality, etc.

I don't really care who reacts first. Both of them are experienced in combat as well and just because we're a mighty hero doesn't necessarily mean we can do everything and everything better than others either.

Also, was it confirmed that we fought the primals alone or with other adventurers because i'm not sure about that.

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We don't even know what that spell is and it's definitely not something we can do.

[KyahAlmasy]

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Not doing anything at all, is just as bad as doing far too much, especially when it's inconsistent with the canon of the game. Anyone who has an idea of how their character acts/personality etc is going to have their toes steps on in the story, it's inevitable, it's WHY we're paying to play this game. No one wants our character to suddenly develop a whole new personality in cutscenes, we just want our character to act like the character who's actually championed these causes, not some hapless bystander.

But it does matter who reacts first, or in this case, who reacts at all. It's all indicative of our character. And that's the thing, we are experienced in combat, FAR more than Y'shtola and Thancred. But heck, for arguments sake, even if we werent stronger than them, any warrior with experience in combat would have at least reacted after arrows fell. But we didn't, literally almost everyone in the scene responded before us. The paladin, The Black Mage, the Derplander, Y'shtola, and Thancred. You would think, the vaunted warrior of light, savior of the realm could have done something? Heck, anything? And that doesn't ring odd with you?

Yes, we fought the primals alone. It's confirmed in the story numerous times. From our character standing alone in the aftermath of each fight, to which the Ascians always credit us solely with it's defeat and no mention of a team, to the scene after we face the derplander where Alph expresses his surprise that there is anyone else besides us capable of culling a primal, and if there was we would have known about it.

[RiceisNice]

Yes, we fought the primals alone. It's confirmed in the story numerous times. From our character standing alone in the aftermath of each fight, to which the Ascians always credit us solely with it's defeat and no mention of a team, to the scene after we face the derplander where Alph expresses his surprise that there is anyone else besides us capable of culling a primal, and if there was we would have known about it.

Other scenarios such as void ark, praetorium, and I believe Ramuh references the Warriors of Light, as well as you bringing in a party of elite adventurerers/sell swords.

[Kallera]

Other scenarios such as void ark, praetorium, and I believe Ramuh references the Warriors of Light, as well as you bringing in a party of elite adventurerers/sell swords.

Not all of them. In heavensward in particular you are depicted doing a lot of the feats there alone, without any party members in sight.

Only you face the knights of the round.
Only you get eaten by Bismarck.
And iirc, only you are around to see lahabrea's death.

[RiceisNice]

Not all of them. In heavensward in particular you are depicted doing a lot of the feats there alone, without any party members in sight.

Only you face the knights of the round.
Only you get eaten by Bismarck.
And iirc, only you are around to see lahabrea's death.

It's a matter of inconsistent depiction. In the same vein of Bismack, you had an entire party with your on your little floating island. Praetorium and other instances (steps of faith off the top of my head) directly refers to you getting an elite group of adventurers, greg acknowledges "fighting all eight of you...". Even in the likes of Ifrit normal when you got captured, the NPCs practically handweave that you can still escape from capture and (paraphrasing) "come back with a group of companions", all of which at the bare minimum would have at least possessed the echo to be able to resist being tempered.

It's not out of the question that there are multiple people who are blessed with the echo, let alone being a chosen of Hyadelyn (since Y'sayle is one herself). The other explaination is that there is a singular warrior of light, and the player character is reliving their experiences through the echo.

As Krile has explained to us, there are lots of different warriors of light. Heck, anyone with the posession of the echo is considered a warrior of light, but this is not the same as the Warrior of Light we play. You can tell even when you first encounter the derplander and he says "So you are the warrior of light, savior etc" I doubt he's running around saying that to every single Warrior of light he runs into. While there are many different incarnations of the warriors of light, like Krile, they all have their own role. But in accordance to the canon of our individual story, we are the only warrior of light capable of the feats we see in the game.

There is also a matter of you being a warrior of light, and you being the warrior of light that's throwing the equilibrium out of balance, whether or not the last statement remains to be true or not-the-whole-truth because this is coming out of an Ascian's mouth.

[KyahAlmasy]

It's a matter of inconsistent depiction. In the same vein of Bismack, you had an entire party with your on your little floating island. Praetorium and other instances (steps of faith off the top of my head) directly refers to you getting an elite group of adventurers, greg acknowledges "fighting all eight of you..."

It's not out of the question that there are multiple people who are blessed with the echo, let alone being a chosen of Hyadelyn (since Y'sayle is one herself). The other explaination is that there is a singular warrior of light, and the player character is reliving their experiences through the echo.

According to the canon of the story, it is only you that takes on these fights. Even in Prae, when you all gather to take down Lahabrea when he's posessing Thancred, you don't see your party with you, you see yourself and the scions. The fact that in story cutscenes you are ALWAYS alone, and are referred to has the the "one" who defeated so-and-so is evidence in it's own. Even Alph says that he wasn't aware of anyone else who could take on the primals, and was shocked to see the WoD do so. Why would that be the case if adventurers like us were a dime a dozen?

Your taking game mechanics too seriously. It's like saying, because our character can survive a spear through the chest in gameplay, that we would be able to do so in a cutscene as well.

[RiceisNice]

Your taking game mechanics too seriously. It's like saying, because our character can survive a spear through the chest in gameplay, that we would be able to do so in a cutscene as well.

That's sort of the thing, even if you are the one that dealt the finishing blow on Lahabrea or the likes (solidifying that you are the warrior of the light), every other circumstance behind it (such as praetorium in general) is done with a band of people. The player character isn't doing the entirety of the encounters by themselves, but were involved, if not the most prominent figure during those encounters. It calls onto the question on just how powerful the player characters are by themselves, because at times while you are clearly leading the charge, and if not being the only one involved in some encounters, the background behind it is that you had still gathered a group of people together to accomplish such tasks.

We could ignore the handweaves at times where the story and npcs refer to you gathering a band of people together, but it still becomes a reoccuring inconsitency to the story. My point is that our player characters isn't straight up soloing everything, but are infact still can be the individual that is referred to as the warrior of light, they're not exclusive from each other. My point is also that there can be multiple people who possess the echo as well as people who are blessed/chosen by Hyadelyn, not just the player character.

[Delily]

According to the canon of the story, it is only you that takes on these fights. Even in Prae, when you all gather to take down Lahabrea when he's posessing Thancred, you don't see your party with you, you see yourself and the scions. The fact that in story cutscenes you are ALWAYS alone, and are referred to has the the "one" who defeated so-and-so is evidence in it's own. Even Alph says that he wasn't aware of anyone else who could take on the primals, and was shocked to see the WoD do so. Why would that be the case if adventurers like us were a dime a dozen?

Your taking game mechanics too seriously. It's like saying, because our character can survive a spear through the chest in gameplay, that we would be able to do so in a cutscene as well.

I could have sworn that in the Prae, the opening cut scene was you flying on the airship with your party. I believe with the exception of the primal fights, the NPCs usually say "gather your comrades and go forth." Even for the primals, it's always a stretch me to think we did it by ourselves. The Company of Heros all had the Echo, so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect we'd have attracted a core group of warriors who also have the Echo, but are not associated with the Scions.

In 1.0, the Path of the Twelve was Minfilia's organization, where everyone had The Echo. Presumably, most of them were killed during the Calamity, or went into hiding, or were later killed by the Garleans when Waking Sands was attacked. But the echo, while uncommon, is not super incredibly rare.

Personally, I think the Echo is a lot more common than we're told, whereas the Blessing of Light is very rare. I think only the WoL, Shiva, and Krile have it. The cut scenes also mere the 2 together when they seem to be very distinct. As far ask I know, we've only used the Blessing twice?

[KyahAlmasy]

The aetheric lightsword/beam wasn't even the Echo or Blessing's doing, but an abundant source of aether you had at the time. You defeated Nabriales using Tupsimati and Igeyorhm with Nidhogg's eye.

Yes the Aetheric sword we used on Lahabrea was due to the echo. The ones we create with the Eye, and Tupsimati are pale imitations of the one Hyd gives us, and aren't nearly as strong either. When we attack Nabriales she even says "Recall the time you struck down Lahabrea with the blade of light" Another example of how much more powerful we become with the power of light, than on our own. Hyd can literally create a blade of light for us without any tools and gather the Aether sufficient enough for our cause. This is why the Ascians are frightened of us. Not because I'm a White Mage, or Ast, but due to the power of light bestowed upon me.

Other scenarios such as void ark, praetorium, and I believe Ramuh references the Warriors of Light, as well as you bringing in a party of elite adventurerers/sell swords.

As Krile has explained to us, there are lots of different warriors of light. Heck, anyone with the posession of the echo is considered a warrior of light, but this is not the same as the Warrior of Light we play. You can tell even when you first encounter the derplander and he says "So you are the warrior of light, savior etc" I doubt he's running around saying that to every single Warrior of light he runs into. While there are many different incarnations of the warriors of light, like Krile, they all have their own role. But in accordance to the canon of our individual story, we are the only warrior of light capable of the feats we see in the game.

[Remus]

Other scenarios such as void ark, praetorium, and I believe Ramuh references the Warriors of Light, as well as you bringing in a party of elite adventurerers/sell swords.

Ramuh doesn't reference as warriors of light or bringing a party with you he only says Bringer of Light meaning just you. It's a trial for you alone as the Bringer of Light trying to make peace between the sylphs and gridanians. People were only there because its a MMO.