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    dinnertime's Avatar
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    Aurelius Lyon
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    Just because our character is powerful doesn't necessarily mean that we don't need any help either, just sayin'.

    Fight 5 of the Warriors of Darkness? Good luck doing that alone without your adventurer friends you queue with for duties.

    And yes, our character doesn't do much in cutscenes but I believe it's a simple solution. To how every individual player would want their character to react to things, they instead made the character not show much at all.
    Giving the character choices how to react is another, but it'll be an illusion of choice anyway, done simply for "immersion".
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    Etoile Kallera
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinnertime View Post
    And yes, our character doesn't do much in cutscenes but I believe it's a simple solution. To how every individual player would want their character to react to things, they instead made the character not show much at all.
    Giving the character choices how to react is another, but it'll be an illusion of choice anyway, done simply for "immersion".
    Its funny that you've listed a better alternative, then pass it off as unimportant to storytelling. Story immersion is EXACTLY where the problem is. Their approach is showing a character that doesn't mesh with what we do on a regular basis. When we are a set piece, lugged around with no choice, it might not matter much in casual conversations, but in crucial scenes, and action scenes, it pulls us away, replacing our stalwart tank or powerful mage with someone that just doesn't fit. As it was mentioned before, its like there are two versions of our character, and the cutscene version is the incompetent one.

    In cutscenes and plot, keeping the viewer involved in the narrative becomes very important.
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    Kyah Almasy
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinnertime View Post
    Just because our character is powerful doesn't necessarily mean that we don't need any help either, just sayin'.

    Fight 5 of the Warriors of Darkness? Good luck doing that alone without your adventurer friends you queue with for duties.

    And yes, our character doesn't do much in cutscenes but I believe it's a simple solution. To how every individual player would want their character to react to things, they instead made the character not show much at all.
    Giving the character choices how to react is another, but it'll be an illusion of choice anyway, done simply for "immersion".
    There's a vast difference in needing help from our friends, and doing nothing at all. So 5 Warriors of Darkness attack us and Y'shtola is the ONLY one who can react fast enough? No, not us right? Not the Warrior of Light who can sense danger and has culled ferocious primals all on our own according to the story. Both Thancred AND Y'shtola react before the WoL does anything. That's very inconsistent with what the story is making us out to be.

    I know that Square doesn't want to step on toes when it comes to headcanon for each person's individual character, but the overt amount of "nothing" our character does begins to do just that. That sort of aloof, spaciness becomes a unwanted characteristic of our character that violates the canon the game has set for us. Even players with headcanon have to allow inconsistencies to their ideas to conform to the plot of the game, so honestly why would this be any different?
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    Mim Silmaril
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinnertime View Post
    Just becauseour character is powerful doesn\\\\'t necessarily mean that we don\\\\'t need any help either, just sayin\\\\'.

    Fight 5 of the Warriors of Darkness? Good luck doing that alone without your adventurer friends you queue with for duties.

    And yes, our character doesn\\\\'t do much in cutscenes but I believe it\\\\'s a simple solution. To how every individual player would want their character to react to things, they instead made the character not show much at all.
    Giving the character choices how to react is another, but it\\\\'ll be an illusion of choice anyway, done simply for "immersion".
    THIS. If I see my SMN fight I expect something like DoTs/Trisaster, Fester on derpy, Bane on all WoD, Painflare too and then bahamuth kicks in with DWT and deathflare.
    GL blocking those spells WoD.. hope Miasma don\\'t make you vomit.
    And be careful, my Egi\\'s sneaking up on you from behind.. ENKINDLE, MUHAHA..

    I don\\'t want to get some etheric lightswords or shields pulled out of my a** which I can\\'t utilize outside of cutscenes, without a proper explanation. Why do we fight with our class-skills at all when we could use those superpowers all the time?
    Like when we did a block like Y\\'shtola I would be curios why I can\\'t do that while in normal battle, I mean SMN has no defensive CD so it would be useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    THIS. If I see my SMN fight I expect something like DoTs/Trisaster, Fester on derpy, Bane on all WoD, Painflare too and then bahamuth kicks in with DWT and deathflare.
    GL blocking those spells WoD.. hope Miasma don\\'t make you vomit.
    And be careful, my Egi\\'s sneaking up on you from behind.. ENKINDLE, MUHAHA..

    I don\\'t want to get some etheric lightswords or shields pulled out of my a** which I can\\'t utilize outside of cutscenes, without a proper explanation. Why do we fight with our class-skills at all when we could use those superpowers all the time?
    Like when we did a block like Y\\'shtola I would be curios why I can\\'t do that while in normal battle, I mean SMN has no defensive CD so it would be useful.
    But your character HAS used an Aetheric lightsword, on numerous occasions actually. We used one to destroy the Ascian Igeyorhm this very patch. I'm curious as to why THAT doesn't bother you, but the idea of our character using one against the Derplander would? If you're actually enjoying the story, and paying attention, why would your character acting in a way completely align within their arsenal of abilities bother you?

    And Hydaelyn grants us succor, or power whenever she deems we need it. Hence why you don't randomly get a Hydaelyn shield in Coils or Alex like you did when the Ultimate Weapon used Ultima on us. Your jobs abilities aren't the only ones your character has, and one of the largest reasons our character has grown so strong isn't due to our jobs abilities but the power of light bestowed upon us. As you saw when we first encountered Igeyorhm without the power of light, she easily dealt with us, and was only UNABLE to kill us because we had regained some of the blessing back.

    And also previously with Nabriales, our character didn't even posses enough power to destroy him without Moenbryda's sacrifice. As the story progressed we gained an even stronger version of the Blessing of Light, and grew even more powerful than Thordan; An ideology supplemented with generations of worship and fervent prayer. The echo is a very strong device, and has been acknowledge as our strongest weapon of choice.

    How can you honestly sit there and say that your character wouldn't use the echo, when he has used in so many times in the past. Either you're not paying attention to the story, and are skipping cutscenes. (To which, I don't know why you're even commenting if you do.) or B. Have a very short attention span.
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    Flo Fyloord
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    Quote Originally Posted by KyahAlmasy View Post
    But your character HAS used an Aetheric lightsword, on numerous occasions actually. We used one to destroy the Ascian Igeyorhm this very patch. I'm curious as to why THAT doesn't bother you, but the idea of our character using one against the Derplander would? If you're actually enjoying the story, and paying attention, why would your character acting in a way completely align within their arsenal of abilities bother you?
    n.
    To add to this, the one you used on Igeyorhm does not resemble a sword in the slightest, but rather a beam of energy. The one time your "blade of light" matched your job was in the opening cutscene and the first encounter with Lahabrea in Pratetorium (and even then, DRK, MCH, AST and I believe NIN get shafted in this regard because they use the paladin place-holder). The other two occasions is the same concept as a blade of light, but it was depicted as a beam of energy.
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