"Vacate Chambers" without Estate Access

[Lurial]

No worries. It's good to think things through thoroughly and test. It also makes it easier for the developers if they read this and want to implement a fix if they can copy the exact same conditions.

[ExKage]

Pushing it a bit got us that missing factor for why you had no issues and why so many did. Knowing all the details makes it easier for the team too, I'd bet.

Other things I'd discuss are just inconveniences with the housing design that contribute to this. Vacating rooms shouldn't require the player to remove their furnishings. If they were able to vacate their rooms without having to remove their furnishings, i don't think this issue would have been exploited to hold members in an fc as its prisoners. Vacating should essentially do the same thing as being kicked out by the FC leader (and now, house relinquishing), it sends what furnishings can be salvaged to the NPC in the housing area.

[zakalw3]

Where is this tumblr thread people are referring to?

[D-chan]

This was a huge mess. I'm disappointed in how the GM's handled it. I'm not sure how well it was explained to them, and I know from a technical aspect everything is "working as intended," but surely they could see that not being able to leave an FC is a huge and surely unintended issue, and the FC leader making demands in order to let them leave has to be considered harassment/scamming. I know the GM's likely couldn't have just unlocked the house against the FC leader's will, but that's not the only way they could have handled it. They could have removed those wanting to be removed from the FC, or vacated the rooms of the people who wanted their rooms demolished. My main worry is if this isn't fixed soon, now that many people know about it, someone may try to exploit it again, and we'll have a repeat of this situation.

[D-chan]

As Kage said, I don't know why you can't automatically demolish your room and have the furniture sent to a housing NPC just like when someone is kicked from an FC. Even aside from the glaring flaw we've seen in the system, having to clear out all your furniture, then leave your room, and then demolish the room is an unnecessary inconvenience.

As an FC leader, when my FC changed FC houses, or when people have wanted to swap rooms, or even when people have left the FC, I've had them come to me and ask me to kick them just so they wouldn't have to clear out all their furniture. Not only would an option to automatically vacate a room save them time, it would also save me time from having people come to me about this and me taking time out of my day to do a favor (potentially for someone bailing on my FC) because I know the bottom line is it will be quicker for me than it would have been for them.

[Niwashi]

I didn't know you could lock out your own FC members from the FC house. How and why is this even possible?

I use that feature for the lowest level of FC members; my server has had some issues with Company Chest smash and grabs, as well as many other problems with people stealing, being caught planning to steal, etc. the CC and the estate are both completely locked to people at the lowest rank.

That makes sense for Chest access, especially Chest withdrawals. It makes no sense for Estate Access, however. The FC leader should be able to choose who can decorate the house, but not who can enter it (at least not among FC members). If it's an FC house, then the right to enter it should automatically be available to ALL FC members. That "Estate Access" setting shouldn't even exist.

(The "Guest Access" setting is ok, since whether other players who aren't in the FC are also allowed to enter should be something the FC leader can choose.)

[Beckett]

Wow, that's hilarious. It's absolutely horrible, and it needs to be fixed immediately, but hilarious.

[Beckett]

I use that feature for the lowest level of FC members; my server has had some issues with Company Chest smash and grabs, as well as many other problems with people stealing, being caught planning to steal, etc. the CC and the estate are both completely locked to people at the lowest rank.

Wouldn't new members just be able to use the Company Chests in the cities (assuming their rank had access to the chest)? I can't see how house access could be a security issue, unless you're worried about annoying people just AFKing forever in your house.

[Aleczan]

It truly boggles my mind that there had been a similar situation A YEAR AGO and the devs and GMs still can't do anything about it.

[Aleczan]

Where is this tumblr thread people are referring to?

The players who started the original post telling about the situation and details had removed the posts after they paid the ransom and got their people out. But the reblogs by some bystanders like me are still accessible.