Diadem NEEDS Tweaking

[Adnama18]

The damage threshold to get credit on higher ranked mobs -- specifically V's and stars -- is way too high. Way too high. If your group is down even one person, you will not get credit on V's and stars, and even IV's can be iffy.

I've had this problem too, especially if there are several groups killing the same mob. All 8 people will attack the mob from the spawn but still no credit given and therefore no loot. Its one of the main reasons people are even going; they want loot. Its definitely something that needs to be addressed.

[ruskie]

I've had this problem too, especially if there are several groups killing the same mob. All 8 people will attack the mob from the spawn but still no credit given and therefore no loot. Its one of the main reasons people are even going; they want loot. Its definitely something that needs to be addressed.

Had this happen for a few V's and stars by now. It's so frustrating.

[Deezee]

I said what I did because as everyone knows (and is quick to point out here and other places where the conversation comes up) raiders only make up a small percentage of people play this game. Diadem seems to be a hit with players who don't raid as much, and SE has been disappointed with the amount of activity in raids for a while now. At some point a suit from SE who doesn't care so much about the game is going to look at the numbers (small percentage of people actually doing content that takes a large portion of the budget to develop) and make the call to kill it.

Not only that but even most people who raid thought the current raid was bad for whatever reason. I'm just having a hard time seeing the continuation of raids in this game unless something amazing happens with 3.2's raid. I don't personally want raids and difficult content to go away but it isn't hard to see why that might be a direction this game takes.

[Rufalus]

Enough people are registering complaints about not getting chests that I'm sure they will adjust the amount of contribution your group needs to be rewarded, if not at the next hotfix then at least by patch 3.15.

On the first day of patch 3.1, I incorrectly assumed that only the group who claimed the enemy (first hit) gets a chest, because my party was getting nothing on every single enemy, even though they all took a long time to kill and we were there from the beginning of each one until they died, doing the best dps we could. People were bummed out about it, like "are you serious?", effort for nothing.

Leeching is a valid point, if it's possible to stop players from rolling on loot when they never touched the enemy because they were somewhere else gathering, that would help. But in return, the people who go off to gather need to be given a higher spawn rate for the steel spoils tokens, and the group they are leaving behind needs to not be punished by getting no chests from enemies because their dps was lowered.

Join-in progress would be hard to implement without changing fuel fees to enter. Is it right to take a mission voucher if the player joins a party which only has 10 minutes left on the clock? Aether currents also hard to change. If you didn't need to collect them every time, then people would fly away right at the start, leaving behind new players who don't have them yet.

[Rufalus]

I'm just having a hard time seeing the continuation of raids in this game

The team/Yoshida seem to love raids and see it as a core component of the game. When Yoshida posts the Letter from the Producer, he always talk about new raid tiers, congratulates the world first clear groups, uses player data from those raids to make job balance adjustments and so forth. I think the percentage of player participation in raids is not so small if you consider that more casual players may enter them 6 or 12 months after release, once the difficulty has been reduced. I'm personally not a hardcore raid guy, so their removal wouldn't bother me, but it's hard to see that happening in my opinion. The player participation for raids gradually increases over time, as they are repurposed as less punishing content when they get older. T4 Coil became quite active when they added crafting materials for relevant gear in that patch, and people were outgearing the challenge.

[maelor]

I agree with the poster 100%! Diadem is really really fun, but it can be disappointing when, as far as you can see, all of your party are breaking their backs to put damage on a target, and you wind up with a bronze or even worse NOTHING! General feeling in my FC is that we LOOOOOOOOOVE Diadem so far. Just tweak some things for us please. One problem we are seeing with the damage threshold issue is DOTs. It seems with that many people on one mob there is an upper limit of how many of a dot can "stick" to a mob... and so jobs like (especially) summoner get screwed on damage contribution because if there are too many summoners on the mob summoner 4 or 5's DOTs get ignored. Don't know this for fact, its just what we are seeing. Is this really happening SE? Other than these issues EM's are way fun.

[Rufalus]

One problem we are seeing with the damage threshold issue is DOTs. It seems with that many people on one mob there is an upper limit of how many of a dot can "stick" to a mob... and so jobs like (especially) summoner get screwed on damage contribution because if there are too many summoners on the mob summoner 4 or 5's DOTs get ignored. Don't know this for fact, its just what we are seeing. Is this really happening SE? Other than these issues EM's are way fun.

I'd like to know the answer to that question too, I'm sure somebody around here knows. Is there are limit on how many DoTs/debuffs can be on a target, or is it just a display limit but additional DoTs are still taking effect even though they are not displayed on the monster status bar?

[HeavenlyArmed]

I agree with the poster 100%! Diadem is really really fun, but it can be disappointing when, as far as you can see, all of your party are breaking their backs to put damage on a target, and you wind up with a bronze or even worse NOTHING! General feeling in my FC is that we LOOOOOOOOOVE Diadem so far. Just tweak some things for us please. One problem we are seeing with the damage threshold issue is DOTs. It seems with that many people on one mob there is an upper limit of how many of a dot can "stick" to a mob... and so jobs like (especially) summoner get screwed on damage contribution because if there are too many summoners on the mob summoner 4 or 5's DOTs get ignored. Don't know this for fact, its just what we are seeing. Is this really happening SE? Other than these issues EM's are way fun.

Just to clarify, the chest you get is not representative of your contribution. You either get credit and the mob drops a chest of some sort or you don't.

[OmegaStrongtan]

They also need to give us the ability to lock diadem gear. Risky to not accidentally sell your 210 drops :O

[FeliAiko]

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