Regarding healers acting as DPS

[Atoli]

It's as if everyone fails to read the "normal mode copper bell mine.
Seriously though, if one cure from overgeared healer heals nearly 100% of HP why should anyone spam it nonstop?

I was in Copperbell NM just a few days ago as a lvl 57 healer, and everytime I healed the tank, even if I did it without turning Cleric Stance off and only after he dropped to about 15% HP, it still topped him off AND gave me instant hate from every single monster because heal aggo was that strong. Now imagine I actually spammed heals..

[Roxas_Andrade]

It isn't my duty to make sure a tank's fragile mind isn't suffering from fear.

Healers = Psicologists LOL

[Kaenbyou]

I started recently leveling up some tanks (2 of them are now 50+, so I've got some experience now), and I can see why some tanks can have an issue with healer dpsing.
Of course, as a main scholar, I can't see myself not dpsing in a dungeon, but I always make my best to not let the tank go under 50-60% because I understand how stressful it can be.
Even if you view it as inefficient because you know the tank will probably end up at 10-20% at the end of the pack, it's not great for everyone.
The tank will start doubting you and might act differently, and instead of speeding the run, it'll slow it down.
In my book, tank should never go under 50% hp, unless you're premade and you know each other enough.
It's just about balance, you don't need to spam heal 24/7, but you still have to do your job in a way that makes everyone confident while still helping dps.

[Claymore65]

One factor to consider is that, especially in DF, there's plenty of players who only play "Healers" so they don't deal with Queue times. These players will literally never heal, and it can easily lead to a lot of unnecessary deaths. The Tank in this case likely thought you were one of those players, even though you were just adding DPS.

When I started my Tank, I got worried when my health drops below 25%. Sure, a good healer can easily manage that, especially if you're overgeared. Thing is, a lot of healers can't manage that, or (even worse) won't. The "Tank/Healer" relationship is all about trust. When I tank with a buddy, I don't care how low I get, since I know he's got me covered. When I'm in DF...I have no idea how good (or awful) the healer is, so I have to play it a little more careful.

The Tank was definitely wrong to just vote kick you without saying anything, but I think you probably should have thrown a couple of heals on him here or there, just to make him feel safe. Or a simple "Hey, I'm going to focus on DPS since we're all Overgeared, but I'll make sure you won't die. Sound good?" would have handled the issue as well.

[Seryl199]

I'd also like to note that a tank being at 25% HP is generally dangerous no matter what you do. As their HP gets lower, there's an ever-increasing chance for them to die. What if you miscalculated the damage?

It's happened before, I'm not perfect and I can make mistakes. There was a rare occasion that I would misjudge my timing or the incoming damage, and I would let the tank die. I'd apologize for getting greedy, make a joke, and we'd carry on. Sometimes I'd get passive aggressive ellipses, or the party would make fun of me, but nothing felt worse than my own disappointment for letting the tank down. Still, how else do you find your outer limits without pushing them and making mistakes?

I haven't wiped a group in months. I've learned the pulse of enemy GCD's, learned to account for the slightest delays of animations and latency, how to adapt to my tank's skill level and CD usage, because I took risks and made mistakes in order to learn what is actually dangerous, and what is a safely calculated risk. Each player can only determine that for themselves, and it's ok to have a comfort level that's entirely different from another healer.

[zaviermhigo]

What you did was fine, for people saying you should heal the tank at 50% >.>, you must not play with a tank all the time, and you prob df. If you overheal a tank, they will get lazy and not use their CDs, its a fine balance between keeping them alive and maximizing dps, and anyone who'd kick you for doing it, while they are still alive (no wipes), has not been through anything hard in this game. The fact that you can already swap between healing and dpsing, and also that you can even deduce how much healing might be needed already means you are ready for more difficult content.

[AlphaSonic]

As a healer, my minimum required is to keep the party alive. If everyone is alive it's ok, it doesn't matter if it's at 100% health or 20% health. That's it. There's nothing else to discuss. You did your minimium required which is healing enough to keep the tank alive.
Now, if the tank doesn't like your playstyle and the other party members agree, they can kick you, it's a valid reason to kick (we can debate if it was good enough). The problem wasn't that you were DPSing, the problem is that the tank and the other teammates didn't know what were you thinking, i'm pretty sure that if you had told them that you weren't healing that much because it was unnecessary outside boss battle, they wouldn't have kicked you.

You can't say you need to keep tanks HP above a certain threshold, every dungeon and instance has its characteristics. Healers, Tanks and DPS's have to adapt to each dungeon/trial/raid/whatever. Maybe you can say, above 30% HP it's enough, but it can change, every circumstance is different. My advise is that you need to adapt to the situation, if you see that the tank is dying too fast, don't DPS that much (or don't DPS at all if you are having troubles keeping him alive). But not only for healers, tanks in that case should use CD more often, and DPS's should try to kill that mob that is dealing that much damage. Everyone needs to contribute.

[YuiSasaki]

*Snip* I have to disagree. It's a difference in playstyles, nothing more.

Indeed it is a difference in playstyles and I might've overpushed it a bit by saying it is "rude" of the heal to not heal if the tank drops low, but - at least in my opinion - the most important point of my reply was, that it's important to communicate with other players, not only via duty finder, raids etc... It's one of the most important aspects - also, at least in my opinion - in MMORPGs, and sadly many other MMORPG-communities somehwat gave up on that aspect.

Reading over it again by now, it might've not pointed out as much as necessary, but...well.. who cares :>

[Seryl199]

Indeed it is a difference in playstyles and I might've overpushed it a bit by saying it is "rude" of the heal to not heal if the tank drops low, but - at least in my opinion - the most important point of my reply was, that it's important to communicate with other players, not only via duty finder, raids etc... It's one of the most important aspects - also, at least in my opinion - in MMORPGs, and sadly many other MMORPG-communities somehwat gave up on that aspect.

Reading over it again by now, it might've not pointed out as much as necessary, but...well.. who cares :>

Fair enough. I joined an in progress lowbie Tam Tara run last night where they had a DPS healer wiping the group. I assured them that even though I planned on DPS'ing, I wouldn't let them down, and we wrapped up the last 1/4 of the dungeon with no issues. Communicating just helps smooth things over, plus I can't help but love those cute little sproutlings. I did cherry pick a few points from your quote, but only to get my point across stronger anyways. Cheers!

[DenebPunkin]

That sucks... you probably had one of them Tanks that cant stand to see his HP go below 90% while wearing full STR on the right and trying to pull the entire dungeon and not popping a single CD. A healer who can put out damage while keeping the party alive is great. You did that and more so dont worry. You just happened to get stuck with a group of friends that abuse the Vote kick or were with a standard "mob mentality" group that click yes to whatever pops on screen.

Keep doing what you are doing brew.