Regarding healers acting as DPS

[Seryl199]

No offense, but I'd probably done the same, maybe with telling you in front why and if you'd not change the vote would come.

Pushing some DPS as a heal is nice and all but first and foremost you should not let the tank go without a heal, just throw it at him to let him know you are there, never mind the fact that he may not need it at all.
If I'd want a third dps look-a-like on a healer slot, I'd look for a game like that...
People these days might be rude, for kicking you without saying anything, BUT you are somewht rude too for not healing a tank when he drops to 25%, those poor fragile things get scared a lot, you know? Never heard of a WoW-Paladin using Bubble and Hearthstone? (For those who might not know -> google )
Anyway, if you want to continue that way, at least let your party know beforehand, even if its just a "Yo, i'm healing if it's necessary don't be afraid, but mainly i'll push dat damage!".

Just my two cents

If the tank is alive, then the tank is alive, no matter if it's a WAR Holmgang'ing on to that 1 HP or a PLD stacking Rampart and Sentinel at full health with Galvanize and Stoneskin. Is it really necessary to throw the tank an unneeded heal just to soothe his ego? It's not up to another player to determine my comfort zone.

Sometimes I can be an egotistical healer, because of course I think my way is the best way. I'm good at what I do, and if you question my methods, I'd probably get defensive, especially during a lowbie dungeon like Copperbell. I hate when others try to micro-manage my role, especially when I'm exceeding its requirements, but to think that letting a tank's HP dip when he's being peppered by spriggans could be considered rude? I have to disagree. It's a difference in playstyles, nothing more.

It's one thing for the tank to say he's not comfortable at low HP, or he's new to his role, he had a long day at work, he's drunk, I can work with that. It's not the tank's place to tell me what skills I should use when, when the tank hasn't even died in the first place. If they wanted that much control, they should have rolled a healer (See? There's that ego coming out).

[Havenchild]

You straight up weren't doing your role. That would be like a tank tanking in a dps stanece not holding threat well and taking more damage making you sweat because you have to constantly heal him while getting slapped in the face by adds he couldn't keep control of.

What nonsense did you just type? The only role any healer has to perform is keeping the party alive.

Absolutely does not matter how low they go. If no one dies, they are within means to handle the healing. Going further, they can CHOOSE to DPS if they want.

To top it off, If they are maintaining both of those conditions, there are no warrants to dismissal assuming no harassment in other ways. Not DPSing on a healer class is not a requirement for dismissal under harassment either and dismissing someone because of this can get you temp banned via harassment if you get reported.

For all you know OP, you may have been dismissed simply because they wanted to bring a friend in.

[kknboy]

I think people forgetting that the poster of this thread is referring to a situation where they are in a LOW level dungeon with everyone OVERGEARED etc etc.

I remember doing low level dungeons with my whm and did not have to cast a single cure until boss fights. Assuming the tank only wants to tank 3-4 mobs at a time, in a low level dungeon by the time the tank runs up to the next set of mobs, they should be at 100% hp from natural hp recovery. No slowing down, no idling, nothing. The natural hp regen will keep up.

Just do what you have been doing Adol. Staying in cleric stance when you can and dpsing makes the run so much faster.

Either way, whether or not you healed after those mobs will not change the speed of the run... unless the tank dies from a nervous breakdown because his hp is too low. bwhaha

Also some of the replies to you in this thread made me really cringe lol. "Healers must heaaal! Moar heals! Healers only Heal! Do your role as specifically as defined on the official Final Fantasy 14 wiki in subsection 4-3B! My way is the best! HP under 99% OMG! HP is now 98%?! *heart attack". Okay obviously i exaggerated but yeah xD.

[BorisDaBlade]

The community really needs to make up its mind about healers DPSing. One minute it's, "Lazy healers are just sitting on their thumbs the whole dungeon, if they would just dps this would go so much faster." The Next minute it's, "WTH healer? Why are you DPSing and letting my health get so low? I almost died in that last trash pull. You need to git gud and just spam cure on me." Ah, DF life.

[Ldlv]

Well, it's part of attitude I guess. It's kind of rude (at least for me) to let your tank's HP depleted to 25% as a healer in dungeon, especially with random players you have never met before.
I always DPS as SCH/WHM but never take it so far to leave the tank to 25%, but I do slack as a healer and act a bit more like DPS if I run dungeon with friends (else my Benediction and Tetragrammaton or Lustrate just sit there unused for whole run).

Everyone was well geared, including the tank. I gauged after the first pull that the tank would not need healing during any non-boss encounter 99% of the time and so I continued to do damage instead of heal.

Just throw Aspected Benefic and stance dance once in a while to throw 1-2 heal or Essential Dignity so the tank won't reach 25% of HP. It's part of your job, do it properly.

Well, I mean if you run with random players, be nice with them. You don't know what kind of people you run with.

[Kohta]

The community really needs to make up its mind about healers DPSing. One minute it's, "Lazy healers are just sitting on their thumbs the whole dungeon, if they would just dps this would go so much faster." The Next minute it's, "WTH healer? Why are you DPSing and letting my health get so low? I almost died in that last trash pull. You need to git gud and just spam cure on me." Ah, DF life.

My thoughts exactly. If I had to spam heal to play catch up after one Stone III cast, then you've asked for something completely inefficient. I have what I prioritize and it keeps the DPS and tanks focused on their job. Healing is a situational job and more often than not the healer knows their limits or will figure it out quickly.

[Aika_Nakamura]

Main WHM here.

When it comes to DPSing, I never let a tank drop below 50% when doing so. While I'm not running something as simple as Copperbell NM (and I have three regeneration spells to put on said tank), it is still something you generally should not do. I'm currently levelling up a tank and noticing a lot of healers are simply not keeping me above 50%, thus causing me to pop cooldowns when they're too busy either just doing nothing or DPSing. I'd like to note that the former is the most often case, though.

So, try to put yourself in the shoes of the tank. Would a tank like being at 25% HP? I don't think so. I don't think your kick was warranted, but I do believe you should not let a tank drop that low. It's just something to make the tank feel comfortable.

I'd also like to note that a tank being at 25% HP is generally dangerous no matter what you do. As their HP gets lower, there's an ever-increasing chance for them to die. What if you miscalculated the damage? What if you disconnected, thus the monsters didn't die fast enough? There's a lot of other factors that simply rules out leaving a tank at that low HP.

EDIT: Gods, this thread is starting to look toxic.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

The community really needs to make up its mind about healers DPSing.

The whole "healers shouldn't be dealing damage" mentality is coming really close to feminazism right now. Apparently healers who can do a job just as good as a one trick pony (ie: nothing but healing) AND do a bit more as icing on the cake is unacceptable.

[Atoli]

I'm currently levelling up a tank and noticing a lot of healers are simply not keeping me above 50%, thus causing me to pop cooldowns when they're too busy either just doing nothing or DPSing.
So, try to put yourself in the shoes of the tank. Would a tank like being at 25% HP?

You should naturally be using cooldowns anyway, so how is that "forcing" you to do something? Even if it was, it's part of your job anyway to provide at least a bit of mitigation. That's what you have those cooldowns for in the first place
Also, get ready for a world of pain when you encounter tank busters. Dropping to 1-3% of your max. HP or even less is not rare and something tank's just have to learn to live with. They have to trust the healers to save them, so better start learning to trust early on, when the healer let's your HP drop in leveling dungeons before the rescue.

I'd also like to note that a tank being at 25% HP is generally dangerous no matter what you do. What if you disconnected, thus the monsters didn't die fast enough?

Sorry, but THAT's your argument? If you disconnect, you can't heal the tank either, which means he'll die anyway, no matter if you'd rather heal or dps. Disconnection means you are not providing ANY kind of help.

[AniCelestine]

Just throw Aspected Benefic and stance dance once in a while to throw 1-2 heal or Essential Dignity so the tank won't reach 25% of HP. It's part of your job, do it properly.

Well, I mean if you run with random players, be nice with them. You don't know what kind of people you run with.

So trow a lvl 34 skill in lvl 17 dungeon?

It's as if everyone fails to read the "normal mode copper bell mine.

Seriously though, if one cure from overgeared healer heals nearly 100% of HP why should anyone spam it nonstop?
Or if tank loses 1-3% hp from one attack, where's the need to heal at 25% hp? I get it not letting tank drop to 25% in the latest dungeons where mobs hits closer to 10% off the tank.