Regarding healers acting as DPS

[Fevelle]

10 minutes is a lot of time, especially in those incredibly long end game dungeons.

.....Like Fractal

A normal DF run of Fractal takes about 20 minutes without healer DPS. How is that "incredibly long"?
Healer DPS helps with 4-6 minutes, nothing more than that.

[LegoTechnic]

A normal DF run of Fractal takes about 20 minutes without healer DPS. How is that "incredibly long"?
Healer DPS helps with 4-6 minutes, nothing more than that.

Because dungeons are incredibly boring. Trash pulls are massive snooze-fests, and the sooner we are done with them the sooner I can forget that yes, I was actually just falling asleep with controller in hand.

[NamoNanamo]

Make some friends and tag with them.

[Alisi]

SNIP

This is something I saw a lot in the groups I get when healing on my SCH at/around these sorts of low level dungeons. I haven't been kicked yet but lot of party members don't realize that, when I'm DPSing, my fairy is also healing. I get a lot of newbie Arc's who start healing because they just see me DPSing (I micro manage my fairies.) It doesn't amount to much because my fairy is always healing every little bit. What else am I to do with it? XD Plus it's fun pulling aggro off tanks and watching my fairies tank.

You probably won't get this in higher level dungeons.

What a poor argument. Do we, healers, votekick a tank when he pulls more than one mob at a time because we are unsure whether he "just sucks or doesn't know what he's doing" ?

We can't. Because we're in combat. We wait until we're out of combat to votekick.

[Byonka]

I've been kicked 3 times in the same dungeon for being in cleric stance. ("You're a healer, you're suppose to heal") so I just kept joining back. The Arcanist was freaking out, refusing to dps and healing only... On my third time back the tank says "Sorry, still asleep and your names both started with B... I love a healer that can stance dance!"

[Blessedbythesun]

I've been kicked 3 times in the same dungeon for being in cleric stance. ("You're a healer, you're suppose to heal") so I just kept joining back. The Arcanist was freaking out, refusing to dps and healing only... On my third time back the tank says "Sorry, still asleep and your names both started with B... I love a healer that can stance dance!"

Honestly, in those low level dungeons, I would just tell the arcanist to have faith and keep going. They don't realize that Eos/Selene can solo heal low level dungeons without you lifting a single finger.

[Pells]

Right that's why the goal was always to single tank and single heal all progression content. You didn't have it on farm until you had 6 dps.


When the difference between a healer dpsing and a healer standing there doing nothing is nearly 10 minutes in a dungeon that only takes half an hour if you're absolute trash, yes I'm going to expect you to DPS.

A ten minute reduction in a thirty minute dungeon if the healer dpses? A 33% reduction in the time means a 50% increase in the dps. You are claiming that the healer is doing half as much damage as two dps and a tank. Or as much damage as one dps and half a tank.... meaning the healer does more damage than a pure dps class. This is not a healer problem.

[NamoNanamo]

You really need to teach me how to do that. No matter how hard I push my dps, I never even come close.

Often, you will see a lot of ppl with a low Ilvl. (I'm 208 and Thordan weapon now)
You just need to use all your cd (Bene/pom/regen/switfcast/assize/asylum etc) and spam Holy/stone 3/aero and keep an eye for your mana.
I'm sure I can do 800 dps now, maybe more.

[Nerael]

As a person with both a tank and healer.


As a tank I rotate cooldowns when I feel like I'm taking too much damage. You trust your healer to respond on time, you use cooldowns and skills to buy them extra time.
If I feel like I am taking little damage? Cooldowns + DPS mode engage.
For me if a Healer does not let me die? They are fine, no matter what my health levels are.
The lower my health? The more cooldowns I start using. Very Low? Holmgang/Walking Dead macro which lets healer know IF HE DOES NOT HEAL I'M DEAD.

As a healer I have no problem letting a tank drop to 25% before healing. I do micro-manage my fairy very obviously so people know they are getting healed.
When DPSing I always make sure I have AF stacks at the ready to throw an emergency lustrate if needed. Common tactic of mine is to pop Emergency Tactics, Drop Cleric stance, Adlo after DPSing. (If this crits I just healed the tank for about 18-20k in lv 60 content)

Do I believe OP should have been kicked without prior warning? No.
Do I believe OP should've given the party the appearance they were being healed? Yes

Please note: I said the appearance of healing the party. Let your party know, vocally or non-vocally that you are watching their health levels. For me I do this by Adlo+E4E+Deployment tactics at pulls. With an optional Stoneskin on the tank if I have time. They might think I'm protecting them. Naw, I'm buying myself more time to DPS.

I was very careful when starting healing to switch to Cleric stance. Now it is the natural thing to do. Eos is your healer, I'm an extra DPS. When Eos can't handle it? That's when I turn into your healer with Eos as my co-healer. I have never been kicked from a party using this approach (hell, I've only been kicked once for badmouthing a tank which let me and my co-healer get attacked repeatedly, little did I know he was in a 6/8 FC run with the healers being the non-fc)

[Merkava]

A normal DF run of Fractal takes about 20 minutes without healer DPS. How is that "incredibly long"?
Healer DPS helps with 4-6 minutes, nothing more than that.

People are just horribly understimating healer DPS in this topic. With all the new skills they gained from HW, WHM's have insane burst DPS potential (SCH aren't as bursty but its hardly something to laugh at). A good WHM, during a large pull, can easily out-DPS most DPSes, heck they could easily reach the top of the DPS chart if they know what they're doing and they are paired up with a competent tank.

I run 90% of my EX Roulette runs with a friend WHM (I play WAR) and in most runs we tend to contribute 50-70% of the group DPS, between us, (depending on how good/bad the DPS are) during trash mob pulls.

A good DPS healer paired up with an equally skilled tank doesn't just cut off the time of a run by "4-6 minutes", they could easily cut down the dungeon time by 30-40%. Most of the time we do runs we get DF DPS screaming out, "wow, this run was fast! =D". Little do they know it's because the tank and the healer worked well together.

I can certainly understand the reluctancy with various healers as DF Tanks are 70% horrible, my friend refuses to do DF with randoms and tells me to always tell him when im doing EX thanks to that. So healer DPS (at least SCH and WHM) is amazing, but only when paired up with an equally skilled tank. Half the blame for a bad DPS Healer lies in a bad Tank.