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    Alex_Lenderson's Avatar
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    Alex Lenderson
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    Zalera
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    Conjurer Lv 62

    Esuna on Warrior?

    Big deal or no? They pacify themselves, if it is a big deal I can make the effort to do it but its only a few seconds and depending on the timing of my esuna it may not even matter or it will just be a second or two. Honestly I'd rather just keep up my healing/DPS instead of worrying about it. Thoughts?
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    Ilenya's Avatar
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    Aurora Vlondett
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    As a healer myself, I will take care of it if I have the spare time, but if I don't (and Selene doesn't just do it for me) I don't consider it a major issue. I recall a conversation a while back where some say they wanted it because they needed to be able to keep doing damage, while others used it as their break to recover some TP, but I have no idea how Heavensward changed that; I imagine that OTs would prefer to be esuna'd so they can keep attacking, but I'm not so sure how needed it is.
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    KinnisonArc's Avatar
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    Kinnison Arcspeed
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 100
    It depends, in dungeons/midcore contents it's fine to ignore it or if under circumstances where you can't remove it immediately (like having to dodge or under casting/cooldown). However the warrior will lose 1-2 GCD so in difficult contents where high DPS is required maybe you could time with your warrior and esuna it right away.

    Since it's Pacification, oGCD and spell skills can still be use. I play a warrior too so whenever the healer's not getting it removed I will either use Brutal Swing/Mercy Stroke when they're up or Flash to maintain aggro.
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Here is my official healer answer: You see me casting Aero III? That is worth more than your few seconds of Pacify. Use Brutal Swing oGCD in that time.

    To those who make annoying macros: Stop blasting our ears.

    Plus there is SCH Selene, and if your BRD is good, they will use Warden's Paeon on the pull.
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    Rin Shiraishi
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    Phoenix
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    Warrior Lv 60
    I main WAR and never expect Pacification to be cleansed. If the healers cleanse it too early, their spells will have a "no effect" -pop on the screen (been trying to snipe-time this many times myself when healing, just for fun, and I used to main a healer from 2.0 to 3.0), even if it seemed timely. If they try to cleanse it "reactively" and normally, my Pacification will already be in the 2s by the time their cast lands. In essence, I think healers can make better use of their GCDs than cleanse it.

    The exception is Selene with Fey Caress. It's good to keep an eye on a WAR as a SCH and hit it to save the WAR some DPS (assuming you don't need to use it on anything else anyway).
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    Dante Huntington
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    Shiva
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Here is my official healer answer: You see me casting Aero III? That is worth more than your few seconds of Pacify. Use Brutal Swing oGCD in that time.

    To those who make annoying macros: Stop blasting our ears.

    Plus there is SCH Selene, and if your BRD is good, they will use Warden's Paeon on the pull.
    My only answer to this, and not to you personally poster, is that as someone who secondary mains WAR, I think I can only recall one time when a BRD gave me Warden on a pull, most other times I see them give it to a WAR, the WAR has no idea how to use that buff or they just mistime it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megido View Post
    haha, this guy

    There are weird people, noobs, and then there are weird noobs. Huntington you are the super rare one-person-a-forum weird noob, made HQ by using low grade materials.

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    Meimi_chan's Avatar
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    Lele Santoix
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    Lich
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    White Mage Lv 90
    It's situational, if my party needs immediate healing just as pacification hits then I am going to prioritize the party.
    I always try to remove pacification, some tanks use macros with a timer to signal when it will start (I rarely see them now, maybe that trend died?) and it helps, but when I come across at some angry and demanding macros I happily continue to heal/DPS ignoring them.
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    Daiki Sejuro
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    Behemoth
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    Summoner Lv 80
    I only do it if the time permits...which in regular content I can easily do it but if I'm healing like my life depends on it (thordan ex) then sorry warrior senpai plz understand Esuna of any variation is on the GCD which can easily cause a death :/
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    Knot Destroyer
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    Asura
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    Scholar Lv 90
    No needed since my Selene can auto-esuna.

    Other healer? no needed too.
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    Gunspec Daggerforge
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    Ultros
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntington View Post
    I think I can only recall one time when a BRD gave me Warden on a pull
    I thought they changed warden early on so that it didn't prevent a warrior's Berserk pacification? It's a 3 second cast, so I don't see why a bard should waste slightly more than a single GCD so that a warrior doesn't lose slightly more than a single GCD.

    But yeah, basically every class that can do something about my 5 second pacification could probably contribute MORE to DPS by doing something else at that moment. The only time I expect it is if I have a lazy healer who isn't even attempting to dps.

    If you play warrior enough, you learn to deal with that 5 seconds, and you can plan ahead.

    Edit:
    From 3.01 Patch notes
    An issue wherein the effect "Pacification", granted by the marauder ability "Berserk", could not be removed by the bard action “The Warden's Paean”.

    Guess I read that wrong when patch notes were released, I thought they were REMOVING the functionality, but they actually ADDED it. Well, since pacification from berserk is the only predictable debuff for most encounters, I guess it makes sense to throw it on the warrior. That being said, it needs to be cast AFTER berserk is activated (30 second duration for both buffs), and if I'm already wailing on an enemy, I would prefer a bard to just do damage. I don't pop berserk 3 seconds before I start attacking like some people.
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    Last edited by Gunspec; 11-18-2015 at 06:13 PM.

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