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    Coyotemilk's Avatar
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    Hornir Khorr
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    Astro BiS 3.1 and CRIT ?

    Hi everybody !

    I post it today about Astrologian. I want to know if you have a BiS since 3.1 update ?
    My astro isn’t optimized, and I wanna know if CRIT is a good option for big healing ? (diurnal and nocturnal)

    Sorry in advance for my bad english.
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    Darkmoon Vael
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    Crit on AST is a stat i would go for as it helps in both sects, as does det.
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    Staris Fate
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael View Post
    Crit on AST is a stat i would go for as it helps in both sects, as does det.
    det is worthless

    crit is actually a negative.

    anything else is better than both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    det is worthless

    crit is actually a negative.

    anything else is better than both.
    Yeah a secondary stat giving negative results....uh huh......how about no.

    Crit is valuable to an AST as it has direct, tangible results in both sects. With HoTs in diurnal it increases your throughtput, with shields in Nocturnal it increases the value of your shields.

    But i suppose everyone should listen to the sagely advice you have given, get rid of all the crit and det on their gear for all that useless useless piety past the piety comfort threshold.
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    Last edited by DarkmoonVael; 11-15-2015 at 06:57 PM.

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    Mimifu Mifu
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    BIs ? Go diadem, Bis is 210 pink loot item.
    Make a party with friends and get all the loot.
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Saying Det is worthless is, to a lesser degree, the same as saying Mind is worthless.

    How silly.

    Anyway, ignorant posts aside, there is no set best in slot anymore. It's now 'whatever best randomized 210 item you can get from diadem'.
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    Ashelia Ferron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    Opposite is true. If your tanks aren't experimenting with max time in dps stances and dps rotations, than they are sub optimal.
    And who said they're not?

    Besides,, any tank worth their salt is also stacking Crit/Det. DPS stance and rotation should still hold hate as long as the healer isn't dumb and over healing even without Crit.

    Also the only other options are
    Det, which isn't worthless, it's a weaker form of primary stat.

    Spell Speed, which isn't heavily weighted since typical healing tendencies will cause healers to just run out of MP faster.

    And Piety, which provides only more MP, which has a soft cap since there comes a point in which having more of it doesn't really help you and it would be better to stack a different stat instead.

    Which can really be said for any of the healer sub stats. It's 100% play style based.
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    Akihiko Hoshie
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    As an answer of the main question
    Crit is a good stat, i mean who doesn't love big... Number
    But too RNGesus to be useful

    I'm more a fan of spellspeed and deter
    Fast and constant heal
    Work well in both stance, a bit better for diurnal (which i prefer)

    And piety is never a bad stat, the more the better.

    In the end crit is the least stat I would recommend XD
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    Lucille Lifeblossom
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Spellspeed and piety go hand in hand. More spellspeed, more piety required. You'll also need a lot of spellspeed to get to breakpoints where you simply forsake a Benefic 2 in favor of two quick Benefics. Due to how scripted things are and how little spellspeed affects HoTs, it is a reliable stat but very breakpoint based for an AST. Spellspeed also doesn't benefit any of your ability heals (Essential Dignity, Collective Unconsciousness(not sure if HoT factor does benefit), Retrogradation(PvP)).

    I'm fairly sure Crit is the stat that increases HPS the most but also the most unreliable for clutch healing. It will balance out on HoT effects pretty nicely to the amount of times they tick in a fight, and if you are aware of the situation a crit heal will give you breathing room a normal heal wouldn't give you.

    Det is the easy option. Just flat-out increases healing, no strings attached.

    Really, every healer seems to take a different combination, but in general you'll need more piety if you go spellspeed (unless you hit efficiency breakpoints, like the Benefic 2 vs 2 Benefics example) and crit tends to give bigger HPS values in the long run, albeit random. If you happen to fish for crits as Nocturnal (because waiting for big buster, anxiety, whatever) for big shields, crit will naturally be more favorable. too.

    Personally, I go crit = det > sps, slightly favoring crit depending on whether I have to DPS a lot and there being a DRG in the party. I'm fairly sure crit provides the best HPS boost for both sects over the duration of the fight, just not always when you want it to. But meh, I didn't go AST because I wanted to be 100% reliable and predictable anyway.
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    Mimifu Mifu
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    I go full det/piety.
    I like to have a huge Mana pool (I don't like to be mana song dependant) and get a strong heal. I don't like rng so I don't really stack Crit.
    And Ss, it's not bad but that's not my play style.
    ANd like I said, Just loot the diadem. You take the one with best stat and it will be ok.
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    Last edited by NamoNanamo; 11-18-2015 at 03:55 AM.

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