Any reason for Diadem (Easy)?

[SuperZay]

DF ques are already dead for that mode (20-30+ min, almost instant for Normal). There are no unique items to be dropped/gathered. Loot is much worse overall because of lack IV-V-stars. Yet there's an achievement for 100 complete explorations in this mode which will now take forever to farm.

[Nekodar]

DF ques are already dead for that mode (20-30+ min, almost instant for Normal). There are no unique items to be dropped/gathered. Loot is much worse overall because of lack IV-V-stars. Yet there's an achievement for 100 complete explorations in this mode which will now take forever to farm.

For casual gathering maybe?
Go in with premade, choose easy so you can get through the current part faster, then spend time gathering...
You can spawn IV's in there at least... and it's possible, though I haven't tested, that NM's spawn in there too.
In easy I saw I up to IV, in normal I've seen II up to V (aside from NM)... haven't seen hard yet, but if it's like I'm guessing, it starts on III...

[Luvbunny]

This is great for those lazy ass leechers who only want to do gathering after clearing their objectives. Avoid at all cost. Always try to do a pre-made party or join other people FC run if you want a full 90 minutes gear farming. Otherwise not worth doing this on American servers, trollalas and trollilis always waiting in the corner, lurking around to ruin your run and ditch you the minute the objectives are clear - off gathering somewhere else. Good thing the areas are full of monsters that will one shot those gatherers. Personally they need to be punished even more so that it is impossibly hard to gather there unless your group cleared the mob in the areas first.

[Gamer3427]

Words.

Joy. Another person getting mad because people want to do more than just fight in the areas that are designed to have more to do than just fight.....

[AskaRay]

This is great for those lazy ass leechers who only want to do gathering after clearing their objectives. Avoid at all cost. Always try to do a pre-made party or join other people FC run if you want a full 90 minutes gear farming. Otherwise not worth doing this on American servers, trollalas and trollilis always waiting in the corner, lurking around to ruin your run and ditch you the minute the objectives are clear - off gathering somewhere else. Good thing the areas are full of monsters that will one shot those gatherers. Personally they need to be punished even more so that it is impossibly hard to gather there unless your group cleared the mob in the areas first.

Uh do you not like gatherers for some reason?
Half the time people don't even say anything... one line of "hey can you help me kill this monster?" and I'll stop gathering and help out. Don't assume everyone wants to kill all the monsters all the time.

[CyrilLucifer]

Uh do you not like gatherers for some reason?
Half the time people don't even say anything... one line of "hey can you help me kill this monster?" and I'll stop gathering and help out. Don't assume everyone wants to kill all the monsters all the time.

This sounds nice on paper, but in practice, my experience with this, without exception, is as follows:

The Gatherers are halfway across the map, so by the time they actually reach the mob, it's half dead. They just come so that they can lot any 210s that drop and not look rude doing so and because they don't want to actually do the harder, in the more annoying sense of harder, work (killing trash so you can pop NMs) while still reaping the rewards of it.

Which you are essentially admitting to in your post, at least, by saying you're not interested in killing anything but the NMs.

[Luvbunny]

The goal for Diadem is to kill monsters to spawn bigger monsters to get loot at better "random" gears. The goal is not, "Thanks for the objective clear, see you later gator, while I go gather stuffs to sells, you all can try to kill the mobs with 3 person, good luck with that!"

And this is why SE should create separate Diadem Expedition Duty Roulette for gatherers, so they can go do that, get their clears, and off gathering to their heart content. Forcing people to do it via Party Finder DOES NOT cut it, sometimes you log in at odd hours and just want to get your 40 esoteric, cleared the goals, and do gathering for 70 minutes. This way everyone is happy, and gatherers can get their esoteric capped without doing expert roulette and not ruining other player's Diadem expedition who just want to fight monsters for gears.

[AskaRay]

words

Actually I didn't even know it gave esoterics till after I ran it first.

Pretty sure the advertisement for Exploratory Missions is "exploration". To "explore". Not "kill things to summon bigger things".
If you want to absolutely make sure your whole party kills monsters and only does that, form a party. Don't use a random character placement for that.

Along a similar line, once my FC's airship is completely done exploring and able to get into Hard, I'm going to host some gatherer-only parties, and of course I'll be using the PF to do that, not going into DF and then immediately demand 7 other random players do exactly what I want for 90 minutes.

[KarstenS]

The goal for Diadem is to kill monsters to spawn bigger monsters to get loot at better "random" gears.

Gathering also trigger random chests and star mob spawn

[viewtyjoe]

The goal for Diadem is to kill monsters to spawn bigger monsters to get loot at better "random" gears. The goal is not, "Thanks for the objective clear, see you later gator, while I go gather stuffs to sells, you all can try to kill the mobs with 3 person, good luck with that!"

And this is why SE should create separate Diadem Expedition Duty Roulette for gatherers, so they can go do that, get their clears, and off gathering to their heart content. Forcing people to do it via Party Finder DOES NOT cut it, sometimes you log in at odd hours and just want to get your 40 esoteric, cleared the goals, and do gathering for 70 minutes. This way everyone is happy, and gatherers can get their esoteric capped without doing expert roulette and not ruining other player's Diadem expedition who just want to fight monsters for gears.

You seem to have missed the intent of the area fully. You and a large number of players believe that the goal of the Diadem is to kill monsters to spawn bigger monsters, but the point of the Diadem is to both have monsters to kill, and unique materials to gather. Not one, not the other.

People once again, in their mad rush to have the best gear, are ignoring the concept of a community within the game. If you want gatherer-free runs, put them together yourself and don't demand SE kick out gatherers into their own separate instances. Between several LS's our FC is in, it's trivial to fill out a group for either hunting or gathering, and we have 5 active players.