Absurd Diadem Stats Intentional?

[Deezee]

All aetherial gear has similar stats for their level range

This is how it worked previously but isn't how it's working in Diadem; pink 210 Diadem gear can have as much as (from what I've personally seen in game and on Lodestone) 85 extra secondary stat allocations compared to 210 raid and tomestone gear, and this is a significant issue.

People were under the assumption that Diadem could end up BiS simply because stat allocations would be at the same caps but randomized, so you could get lucky and roll a piece with better secondaries. But now even if you got suboptimal secondary allocations, the mere fact you can get 85 or more stats on every piece of gear means you could push close to a 1000 bonus stats compared to previous BiS, and with that much room for error you no longer need ideal rolls on everything.

Plus you can farm Diadem more or less infinitely, meanwhile every other way of gearing to 210 is gated behind significant lockouts either through time investment or skill/luck in landing a spot in a group skilled enough to clear and farm for it.

[Elurra]

Are there some examples of items with really high stats? I've seen some with about 200 secondary, which I don't think is that outrageous.

210 Eso/Alex
chest/legs = ~160 secondary stats
head/arms/feet = ~99 secondary stats
accessories = ~74 secondary stats

So it is possible to get higher secondary stats than Eso/Alex, but they seem to be rare, and you have to be extremely lucky to get something that good. My chest piece only has 126 on it, for example, and I think that's more the norm.

[Pence]

My healer boots have +50 Crit, +30 SS, +30 DET, +35 PIE.

[rappa]

Are there some examples of items with really high stats? I've seen some with about 200 secondary, which I don't think is that outrageous.

210 Eso/Alex
chest/legs = ~160 secondary stats
head/arms/feet = ~99 secondary stats
accessories = ~74 secondary stats

So it is possible to get higher secondary stats than Eso/Alex, but they seem to be rare, and you have to be extremely lucky to get something that good. My chest piece only has 126 on it, for example, and I think that's more the norm.

Stats weight:
WD: 11.602
DEX: 1.000
DET: 0.140
CRT: 0.224
SS: 0.111

Eso chest => 101 Dex + 66 crit * 0.224 = 115.784
Gordian chest => 101 Dex + 77ss * 0.111 = 109.547
Screenshot Body => 101 Dex + 80 crit * 0.224 + 55 Det * 0.14 = 123.484

Welcome to the brainless game, where you put effort to complete the hardcore game and a mindless farm could drop better gear.

What do players learn? You don't need to improve, you don't need to play good to get gear. Just spam a few abilities, no matters if you die as soon as Brachio cast Meteor, a bit luck and you would get the best gear. Oppresor? Ha, Living liquid? Ha, Manipulator? ha.

Luckily, SE added tomes from savage floors and you can buy the gear. If Savage would have been as Coil, some raiders who cleared savage still haven't their items.

I am not disagree with odd patchs, when non-raiders can get coat and twines to improve their gears because is the same as the raider but 2-3 months after. I am disagree with an effortless dungeon with loots betters than Raids.

SE is encouraging laziness by releasing content like diadem.

[Mercutial]

Who cares if people are getting God Mode Aetherial gear, but aren't raiding?? Let 'em go into the dungeons and pew pew pew to their heart's content. You or I won't be crossing their paths. If you're a true raider, you raid for the fight. Eff the gear. It's only a means to an end.

Again... if people enjoy doing Diadem and repeatedly pulling a giant lever on the big ol' secondary stat slot machine, let 'em. Who am I to tell somebody how to enjoy a game.

[Zorlinta]

Actually i would suggest only that diadem difficult and loot should be tied. So in easy mode mobs be a little easier and should drop at most Ilvl180 (from starred ones), but lower the minimum for entrace with ilvl 149/150. For normal mode should be the current 179 and drop from starred up to ilvl 210 as now. And for hard mode ilvl199 requeriment for entrace and increase to more challenging mode the monsters and drop pieces from starred up to maybe 220 or 230.

So this way will be a scalar progression with difficult, same lovely farm way but making much harder for get the better pieces but more rewarding effort. Also will help to get much more wide range of players to access it.

[rappa]

Your point of view is fine until you are a raid group, have to search a member lost and what do you find? Players unable to do a good rotation, with random "gold treasure chests" gear.

Then your party is disbanded due lack of raiders. You want to raid and nobody wants. Raids clear percent goes down, more than it's now, and devs choose to do not put effort to do a challenge. The game will become less challenging each time, you don't enjoy to play and you leave the game.

[Judge_Xero]

Who cares if people are getting God Mode Aetherial gear, but aren't raiding?? Let 'em go into the dungeons and pew pew pew to their heart's content. You or I won't be crossing their paths. If you're a true raider, you raid for the fight. Eff the gear. It's only a means to an end.

Again... if people enjoy doing Diadem and repeatedly pulling a giant lever on the big ol' secondary stat slot machine, let 'em. Who am I to tell somebody how to enjoy a game.

I share your view as well. Most Raiders do so for the challenge and to push the limits of their class, gear is just he icing on the cake and only ends up creating a faster clear.

One thing I do hope for this with the influx of higher tier gear is that those who currently lack the skill to participate in endgame, at least attempt it due to being over geared. By attempting endgame it may inspire some to even attempt to Git Gud

[Bravely_Default]

The sad thing is the hardcore dedicated "first clear" groups are going to be farming diadem near 24/7 for god mode gear and whoever wins the slot machines best is likely going to be the ones to get that clear.

[Brannigan]

At this point the only way to salvage raid gear and make it so raids don't go completely dead in every odd numbered patch is to give them set bonuses or let them meld extra main stat above the normal cap. Diadem gear is ridiculous and it doesn't take that much to see a really insane piece.

I'd like to keep raiding every week for 3.1 but it seems kinda pointless.