Thordan as PLD is Amazing

[Strident]

Sheltron+Halone every cleave. Divine Veil the limit break. Bulwark Holy Bladedance. Stoneskin during downtime. Sheltron+1 CD for Heaven's Heel. Proc Shield Swipe all the time.

Paladin is kinda amazing in this fight. I haven't had this much fun with a fight since ever as PLD.

[Ashkendor]

Yeah, I'm having a lot of fun with it myself. ^^

[wicked-one]

Meanwhile, on SE Headquarters...

"How do we fix PLD now..."
"let´s make a fight where he is useful"

Mission accomplished.

[eagledorf]

Meanwhile, on SE Headquarters...

"How do we fix PLD now..."
"let´s make a fight where he is useful"

Mission accomplished.

I really like Thordan EX as a tank in general. It allows me to make use of my entire set of skills on PLD (well, except my interrupts) and actually have decisions to make. I can also coordinate with both of my healers with things like Virus and Eye. None of that is possible on a magic-only fight; even DRK has like 4 useless skills when tanking one of the Manipulators legs so I think this is actually a better designed fight in terms of game play even for a DRK than that fight is, even though A4S literally caters to DRK buff durations and types.

I'm not entirely sure that making content like Thordan is a complete solution. This content was literally built for PLD+WAR (All physical tank damage, damage to mitigate when you can't target the boss, increased mitigation allowing you to ignore certain mechanics, muti-hit physical cleaves, lots of down time). Is SE always going to release content like this? Are PLD and DRK players just going to swap back and forth while the WAR remains a permanent fixture? What about casual tank players who only want to have one tank leveled?

However, Thordan is really fun in general and I think a promising sign. I do still wish SE would acknowledge that tank design and content design are intertwined and stop being in denial about DRK and PLD.

[Jim_Berry]

I'm still seeing tanks needing to use STR gear, though, due to dps check.

On a side note, I now go to learning parties as PLD (originally NIN). Why can't my PLD hit hard and use Bladedance? lol...

[Freyyy]

It's cool that PLDs have a fight where they're good, but the job still isn't fixed.

[Ashkendor]

I'm still seeing tanks needing to use STR gear, though, due to dps check.

I tried it in full slaying and actually ended up swapping to my melds while we progress.

[Ralvenom]

I'm still seeing tanks needing to use STR gear, though, due to dps check.

Yes, and they likely will keep using STR gear. I don't see an issue with this. Fending gear should be fixed, yes; but, for now, there's no problem with using STR gear as a tank.

[Shurrikhan]

I'm still seeing tanks needing to use STR gear, though, due to dps check.

On a side note, I now go to learning parties as PLD (originally NIN). Why can't my PLD hit hard and use Bladedance? lol...

I try to keep in consideration that their dps PLDs/Knights who are just periodically LBing us. That way I don't feel so bad.

Really is nice to be able to use every tool we have there aside from Cover (and Clemency still being iffy).

The fight design still sadly keeps WAR as the centerpiece and PLD and DRK as the swaps though. And as much as PLDs finally have a fight that they work well in, they haven't been fixed either...

So you want a DPS check solely for the DPS? Tanks just sit there as a vitality hero and ansorb damage, I don't understand. Or, when tanks wear fending right side, SE magically can't put in DPS checks?

Even if the DPS could handle all the DPS checks (which always is the case once the group overgears), you would still try to max yours as a tank I assume right? That's the whole point: while using your mitigation (cooldowns) at the right times, max DPS while also succesfully handle mechanics.

Would love to hear suggestions for a change instead of "omgz0r, I need to deepz as tank!"

I think the point was more than the swap to Str accs may still be worth less (or at least no more) than the swap from PLD to another MT (DRK/WAR) for their higher dps? PLD MT's dps has only gotten about a 4% bonus, iirc, with the Shield Swipe change. They're still a fair bit behind the others for MT damage.

Still waiting on Savage Blade enmity mod up and slight RoH potency buff...

[PetiteMalFleur]

Swiftcast cure on pld with divine veil up for bigger shield to mitigate ultimate? Yes please.