Diadem Leeches

[Airget]

Well, they should probably just make Stealth work there at this point... Then just work it so you can queue in as a gathering class... So then you have a party full of people interested in those objectives, rather than lumping gatherers and combat together for no tangible benefit.

I think what would work as forcing DOL to fight in order to gather. It could be a buff or Debuff depending on how you look at it, two ideas come to mind.

Rank of mob=% of ability to gather.

Killing a Rank I=10% of a 100% each 100%=1 node to gather from for a max of 10k% however in order to get credit you have to fight the targets in question.

So if the ranks did the following:

Rank1=10%
Rank2=20%
Rank3=50%
Rank4=75%
Rank5=200%
Star=500%

This is just an example. So basically you go in and you kill 2 Rank 4, 5 Rank 1, and 1 Rank 5, all member involved in killing those and putting effort to killing those on DOM/DOW will have 400% Gather potency allowing them all to gather from 4 nodes. You go off, Gather 4 nodes and now you can't see Nodes anymore and thus have to fight again.

With that in mind though if a system like this was put in place I'd also have it where Stealth now works to balance the need to kill mobs since the % and ability to gather could also be seen as "intimidation" towards the monster and thus they would be to afraid to fight you cause you have shown them your battle prowess.

That's my 2 cents though, but I feel like it would encourage people to work together more and it would force DOL to have to pace themselves with how they gather and fight during that alloted time.

[Seiryuukishi]

Simple solution: don't DF it with randoms. That is all.

[Fevelle]

Simple solution: don't DF it with randoms. That is all.

The real solution is: don't be a leech.

Every party knows that some people want to gather, but if there's more than 3 gatherers, please do a rotation beetween youserlves (while some gather, some fight). You have freaking 90 minutes. If gathering for 45 minutes while people fight and then you go fight for the other 45 minutes isn't enough, geez, something is wrong. Talk with your team. This is the only piece of content where we gotta talk about what we are going to do and decide the best way to and people are already ruining it.

[Eight]

The thing is though treasure chests gathers dig up, the contents aren't rolled on but go to a random player in the party so are they leeching as well? I've been gathering tonight and I've dug up many chests and all the loot inside have gone to other players so I mean it goes both ways. I haven't been rolling on the items the people fighting have been getting so why should they get the treasure I worked for and dug up?

Well Idk, last night my raid had 2 pugs with us in Diadem, the 2 of them were at random places doing random things and loot randomly popped up like every couple minutes while us (the raid) were looking for mobs or flying around chasing ranks. Not sure what they were doing, or how and why we got free loot, but if it was them, then I thank them.
Sure what you say is a problem, but after all, you get the freedom here.

If they were gathering you were getting free loot they dug up.

[Whiteroom]

The thing is though treasure chests gathers dig up, the contents aren't rolled on but go to a random player in the party so are they leeching as well? I've been gathering tonight and I've dug up many chests and all the loot inside have gone to other players so I mean it goes both ways. I haven't been rolling on the items the people fighting have been getting so why should they get the treasure I worked for and dug up?


If they were gathering you were getting free loot they dug up.

The gatherer trolling my group dug up 2 chests. Yay, a few clusters. Compared to all the 150,180, and 210 loot they rolled on. And all the chests we missed out on due to lost credit. Yay... clusters!!! umm... totally worth the trade on the four Stars we missed loot on... and all the rest after two others got sick of it and abandoned...

[Tyrial]

Simple solution: don't DF it with randoms. That is all.

This isn't a solution at all. Some FC mates went in with two premade parties last night and had to fill a few spots with randoms because we didn't have enough that wanted to go. A couple of the PUGs we brought (got them from PF) helped until we could fly then they spent the entire time gathering. It was made clear before we entered that it was fine to gather if we were clearing near nodes, but if there were mobs to fight they needed to be fighting. They instead spent the entire time flying around looking for buried coffers and gathering from nodes. Still rolled on (and won some) gear that dropped, including 210 stuff.

Guess what we could do about it while we were in there? That's right, absolutely nothing.

[Jynx]

This isn't a solution at all.

Actually it is. Take your FC mates, make a party finder, find people you can actually hold accountable for not doing things the way you layed out in the party finder.

Profit.

[Tyrial]

Great blackball them from any future party finders you make. You have full control over who you allow into your party finder and with that you learned that those two players are not team players. I'm not being a "Smart ass" I'm telling you that you have the tools at your disposal to prevent future abuse by such players.

Thank you again for your sagely wisdom. Please tell me more that I don't already know.

This stuff works well after the fact, but what happens while we're in there? We shouldn't be subjected to that kind of stuff while we're in there. People should have some decency and not screw over the group for their own gain. If they can't do that we should have some recourse outside of going full on loot dictator and deciding who gets what.

The system is brand new and we're already seeing flaws that prove they don't learn from past content. If we're allowed to have gatherers in there then they should offer some incentive for us to bring them along, something other than the mats that they're able to gather. If their gathering were to give the rest of the people in the party various buffs (higher max hp/mp, increased attack/healing power, skill/spell speed, etc) then it would be different, but as it stands now it's BS and needs to be implemented better.

[Pence]

As a workaround, and if you're going in with a full party... Set loot rule to "Lootmaster", and have those involved in combat (and eligible to that type of drop based on upgrade/greed rule you set) do /random. Designate loot to the winner of said random. No one out of range to show their random will be able to get it that way.
(It's an annoying method, I know, but... it's a possible workaround.)

If you're getting time to roll, you're probably doing something wrong and being inefficient. It's not a good workaround.

[AikoSachi]

The way they should have done it is have 1 or 2 additional slots in the party that are not necessary to enter, but can be hopped in and out of at will by gatherer's in the DF, and then not have nodes like normal, but have it so that when the player hit's their find node button, it finds ONE node, and notifies the party of it's location, and gives them an area they must defend. Then have it set so that it benefits both sides in some way, maybe after the node is finished a battle chest drops, but make the nodes have a mini-game of some sort to make it so that it's not just spammable to spawn massive loots, or give it a chance to pop fresh tracks, or something along those lines so that having gatherer's isn't a hinderance to the rest of the party but in fact a helping hand.