So, after the patch, how goes it with Paladin?

[eagledorf]

It's really unlikely that you'll end up needing it unless your DPS are literally letting their cat walk all over the keyboard since one failed meteor sphere is survivable even with no mitigation at all and you'd have to let the limit break build really far for the Scholar to need extra mitigation, but it is an option other than making more DPS. Even with competent DPS, ignoring one comet could let you use cooldowns elsewhere and it's probably a totally good strategy to do with or without a Paladin and/or Scholar.

It's not only undesirable for DRK, it's also undesirable in my opinion since at least one and probably two of these particular mechanics can't be mitigated by the majority of utility skills as far as I can tell (Virus, Dragon Kick/Delirium, Storm's Path, Disable). It's fine to have a few mechanics like this in a fight (they've always had them when primals jump and stuff), but it's no way to "fix" a job.

[Freyyy]

Yes. We're in agreement. Tanks need to be fixed, not only the encounter design.

[Silver_Blade]

Says the guy who leveled GLA only to get Provoke. Go play PLD and then we'll talk.

OK....paladin aoe threat sucks MT dps sucks and our defensive "bonous" only matters if fighting 3+ physical mobs otherwise black hardly matters.......a 4% dps increase is 10% away from being enough.....

[Nadirah]

Why in the bloody hell is it that everyone only thinks tank DPS is what matters?

The crappy meta is what makes you folks think that. I'll be glad if they gut that meta and we can get past this "tank DPS is the only important thing" bullcrap.

[Ralvenom]

Why in the bloody hell is it that everyone only thinks tank DPS is what matters?

Even if the meta didn't cater specifically to tank dps, tank dps would still matter. So, hush.

[Freyyy]

I've yet to see any MMORPG where tank DPS doesn't matter at all in high end content. Even if it's not as much as it currently is in FFXIV, tank DPS has always been a thing to take care of in MMOs end game content.

[rawker]

OK....paladin aoe threat sucks MT dps sucks and our defensive "bonous" only matters if fighting 3+ physical mobs otherwise black hardly matters.......a 4% dps increase is 10% away from being enough.....

Wait. I'm confused. Are you replying to my response or the one i responsed to?

[Kosmos992k]

Even if the meta didn't cater specifically to tank dps, tank dps would still matter. So, hush.

Before you tell other to hush, perhaps you could quantify exactly how much tank DPS matters? Let's say it's a PLD MT exactly how much DPS relative to everyone else in the party is that tank putting out?

[Dhex]

Before you tell other to hush, perhaps you could quantify exactly how much tank DPS matters? Let's say it's a PLD MT exactly how much DPS relative to everyone else in the party is that tank putting out?

Word problem on the SAT:

If DRK PLD & WAR can all survive General Tank Buster in Generic Boss Fight and we observe it to be true that the weighted ranking contribution of tanks is as follows; PLD weighted at 650, DRK weighted at 950, and WAR weighted at 1000.

Given the following variable sets;
WAR supports PLD & DRK damage & mitigation. +50
DRK supports neither PLD or WAR damage, supports MDT mitigation. +25
PLD supports WAR & DRK PDT mitigation, at cost to own damage. +25 -25 = net 0

DRK +150 if they are the primary target.
PLD +100 if they are the primary target.
WAR +0 if they are the primary target.


Which combination of tanks yields the highest weighted rank composition to clear Generic Boss Fight?

[Seku]

Before you tell other to hush, perhaps you could quantify exactly how much tank DPS matters? Let's say it's a PLD MT exactly how much DPS relative to everyone else in the party is that tank putting out?

Tank damage is important because...
A. You push through phases faster in some fights.
B. Is the best type of mitigation due to things being dead.
C. Is the main method of keeping hate.

In conclusion, in any encounter where killing something is the main objective maxing out DPS always matters, no matter what it's on.