So, after the patch, how goes it with Paladin?

[eagledorf]

When has that happened? T8 missile, A1 prey, and T4 spins are the only things I can think of off the top of my head. Oh, well the slaps in A3 I suppose would actually be a good example.

Right now you can't really have major physical damage on the whole party because healers have a disproportionately high amount of magic defense compared to physical defense. All the physical damage above is part of a mechanic that you are intended to do to lower that damage to easily managed levels.

The system is designed originally around physical damage=>tanks (sometimes melee), magic damage=>party.

[Freyyy]

The Bahamut farts on T13 were physical too, but yeah, physical raid-damage are a big minority in this game. Everything is magical.

[Lemuria]

Am I really the only one who's seen the Shield Swipe change as a nerf? It's on a 15 second cooldown (as opposed to 2.5 seconds), still requires a proc to use, and deals LESS damage. So, we can use it less often, and it has less damage. Using Shield Swipe on mobs was my bread and butter, as it nullified some of their worst attacks.

I've played Paladin a lot less since the update. It's just taken a lot of the fun out of the job for me. Seriously, who gives a care about the TP costs? They're not even that big of a reduction. I'm more concerned about them screwing up the skills I use regularly.

[Yonanja]

@Lemuria: The devs most likely mainly only looked at raidsituations when they changed the skill. When tanking bosses, especially in raids, most didn't use the skill at all, since it got lower damage than the combos and pacification doesn't work on those targets. Kinda funny how many of our debuffs are only useful again normal trashmobs, and useless against bosses. I think it's time that they made an overhaul of the entire skillset for PLD.

[Brannigan]

It's not a nerf because it's off GCD now so it has no opportunity cost. It's an underwhelming upgrade, but it's still an upgrade. Pacification should just be replaced if they're not going to stick it on another class, because it will never be allowed to be really useful. Same thing with One Ilm Punch's dispel. If they're supposed to be for PVP, stick them on PVP moves.

[Ralvenom]

@Lemuria:
If you're not utilizing an oGCD attack every chance you can, you're doing it wrong.

150 potency every 15 seconds is actually a solid dmg increase. Let's compare the other tank attacks that fill a similar role. Brutal Swing (WAR skill) has a 100 potency attack & a 20 second recast time. Reprisal (DRK skill) has a 210 potency attack & a 30 second recast time & requires a parry. If we assume a 30 second time period:

• PLD uses Shield Swipe twice for 300 potency total;
• WAR uses Brutal Swing once for a 100 potency total;
• and DRK uses Reprisal once for a 210 potency total.

I see no reason for to complain about Shield Swipe.

[Freyyy]

I can't believe that so much people don't understand what an oGCD is

[Brian_]

I can't believe that so much people don't understand what an oGCD is

This board has like... 2 posters that actually play the job at a high level and have an educated opinion about the issues. What were you expecting?

[Isius]

This board has like... 2 posters that actually play the job at a high level and have an educated opinion about the issues. What were you expecting?

/pets The grumpy one, "May you feel better today, and tomorrow." :3

...lol had to do it, since you seem to be idk grumpy to me sometimes in your post. Reading ffxiv threads are bad for your health anyways, but for me the ones involving Pld, just makes me sad. D; So I read them less now, I feel little better now.

-fyi Brian_ just poking/goofing around, so don't take what I said with any weight.


As for Pld changes:

Nothing has change for Pld in endgame content, not even a little bit after the "buffs." Really in all seriousness, SE actually give decent buffs to Pld. Making content around Pld does not change it's outlook in the future. All it does is make us feel Pld is okay, when it is not. The Thordan EX Trial from what people are saying is fun to tank as a Pld...but like I would ever know...I get stuck as the ot, while the other tank a drk is mt during the fight. So we can have more group dmg as a whole...so these good feel fights made for Pld mean NOTHING TO ME, BECAUSE PLD IS STILL A PIECE OF GARBAGE IN THE META...I am personally thinking about dropping my static group over this, because I can't tank the one fight made fun for Pld, and make Pld enjoying to tank again to me. Personally, I feel like garbage as a Pld in endgame. Where I feel like a crappy dps with meh for dmg with medicore utilities. I have lost a lot of interest in tanking in HW, and if Pld honestly doesn't change from now to 3.2. Well I won't be staying. gg SE for "fixing" really nothing.

[Brian_]

It's not that I'm grumpy. It's that I'm really sick and tired of all these garbage topics with nonsensical, impractical, and stupid suggestions for how a class should be changed based only on personal opinion. These days, it just seems like because they can slap you in the face with a wall of text, they deserve to be heard and noticed. They drown out the good posters with educated opinions based on experience with the hardest content -- players who actually get the most out of the class and are thus most qualified to speak about how they fall short.