Verminion Penalty for Tutorial ?

[NaliaBrown]

I couldn't find a way to exit or withdraw, or retreat or forefit from the first tutorial match. I too was stuck on the "press the R stick and select A from above the hotbar." Believe me, if I could have quit then I would have, 100 MGP be damned.

Today I tried again and it worked. But I didn't get to read all of the information from the tutorial before I won the match and I was kicked out of the instance. There needs to be more leeway for the tutorial. The timer needs to pause when there's stuff to read on the screen.

[BreathlessTao]

a completely casual "at your leisure" game shouldn't have restrictions. it's dumb and takes away from the game.

Well, tbh, having turned the entirety of GS from "casual fun" into "mind-numbing grindfest" has already ruined it the day it was implemented, if you ask me...


That said - well, it's certainly nice to know. It's nice to know that there's a penalty at all, it's absolutely nice to know that it's a lockout until the next daily reset apprently? I mean, hey, as frustrating as it might end up being, I could understand, heck, even accept such measures. But it would have been nice to let us know in advance?? I mean, why is this not even mentioned anywhere in the patch notes? Or indeed, when queueing for a match? And it really shoots a tutorial in the foot (one that's not free at that, even though 100mgp probably won't make anyone depressed for a month at this point): one can either try to rush through it all, without actually grasping the details and understanding what's what - or try to take everything in and making sure there are no spots of confusion or unanswered questions, and risk an extremely severe lockout. Sheesh. Yeah, definitely a giant nail in LoV's coffin, imo - and definitely another giant sign that SE needs to upgrade their hardware.

[Nekodar]

How about just finishing the instance you're in instead of withdrawing? No penalty and you get in much faster...

Ideally, the servers would have the capacity to have an instance for every single player playing the game... but is that reasonable to expect?
A lockout for withdrawing should be there, but it shouldn't be as long as people are reporting. That's all.

[Leowilde]

I'm not trying to be a besserwisser or sound like a smartass. And I'm not bitter over a bad first experience, rather annoyed to see rushed work ruining a good concept. Because to my knowledge, testing of complex content before release is actually important. Not just to weed out bugs, but equally to refine the user experience. I'm guessing Verminion was rushed towards the deadline, taking a few shortcuts and ignoring user friendliness problems. People would whine if it was postponed, but I believe that's far better than getting this much complaints over a bad game design.

But hopefully it will be patched, and I'm still hyped for it. I just don't find it ready for release yet. At least not the tutorial, which is the only thing I've tried so far.

[Histoire]

it's just disappointing that they spend more time thinking up ways to punish players that are just doing something for fun than they do thinking about the actual content's atmosphere as a whole. they can't push content fast enough so finding any way to gate and hinder the players without it being bad enough that they end up outright saying "ok, i've had enough of this." is their method and has been for quite a long time now..

this game's really lost sight of what's fun and what isn't. a lockout that is longer than most (all?) content in the game for this is..absurd. a few people dropping a match or being jerks isn't nearly as tragic as releasing the content as it is.

couple that with everything else ..i just don't see where the game's going atm.

[Kio]

I couldn't find a way to exit or withdraw, or retreat or forefit from the first tutorial match. I too was stuck on the "press the R stick and select A from above the hotbar." Believe me, if I could have quit then I would have, 100 MGP be damned.

Today I tried again and it worked. But I didn't get to read all of the information from the tutorial before I won the match and I was kicked out of the instance. There needs to be more leeway for the tutorial. The timer needs to pause when there's stuff to read on the screen.

This is exactly what happened to me. I wonder if it's bugged? I also didn't have time to read the tutorial after I finally got it working on the second try. I know you can go look through help text but it really would have been nice to have the tutorial while you're actively playing, some people just learn better that way.

[Osteichthyes]

Similar to the Duty Finder, a penalty system is in place for abandoning Lord of Verminion matches. Taking the following actions several times will restrict players from taking part in matches for a set amount of time.
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The reason that the penalty is also in place for matches against the computer, including the tutorial, is because instances are still being utilized for these matches. Removing this restriction may lead to situations where multiple instances are being utilized which in turn may not allow other players to play during peak hours. Therefore, we have placed this lockout penalty as a preventative measure.

I think what might be more of an issue is when you are obviously losing and there is no coming back, but you can't GG out like in every other RTS. It just prolongs the inevitable. This really needs a dedicated forfeit option. One that actually lets you accept the loss and move on to the next one.

[NaliaBrown]

This is exactly what happened to me. I wonder if it's bugged? I also didn't have time to read the tutorial after I finally got it working on the second try. I know you can go look through help text but it really would have been nice to have the tutorial while you're actively playing, some people just learn better that way.

Exactly. I can't imagine how difficult this must be for people who don't play this game in their native language. I read slow enough in English, the only language I know, and I'm still having trouble...

[SpiritMuse]

I consider myself a pretty fast reader but still I managed to finish the tutorial with only about a minute left and I really rushed through the text.

[myahele]

Thank you! I was just about to make a post about this. I keep getting kicked out of the tutorial because either I took too long to do an action or the timer went out and I lost?

Why are they treating the tutorial, which is supposed to teach you the rules of the game(mind you not everyone learns quickly), like the real game, and they make you pay MGP and give you a time limit just to learn it?


Is there something I missed?

Yeah, I did the tutorial and ran out of time. After that I just did not bother with Verminion at all and perhaps other's too since the Verminion area was rather empty and I'm in Gilgamesh!

It's a tutorial. It should not have time limit (or increase it) and MGP cost.