Given their blind loyalty to Thordan, I don't think it much matters either way. Even if they were not tempered by Thordan, they may as well be.Assuming he can't grant the echo, and merely fostered it in the Sahagin, Are we sure that you need the echo to uh... deiform? If not, only the Archbishop would need the Echo to maintain his free will, the Heaven's guard may have been Tempered to their primal forms, bound by loyalty to their liege, Thordan.
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