Thread: 3.1 MSQ Reaction [SPOILERS]

Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Another note, having not played 1.0, the Darklander and pals should have recognized at least Thancred and Y'shtola right? Or do they suffer from the same mental block that the rest of Eorzia does for them.

Well, that depends. Is Darklander Derplander, or is he Dark!Derplander? After all, Derplander is the same person at Carteneau and in Ishgard, so logically the Derplander fighting Darklander is the original Derplander. But since he can't be both sides of a fight (not having studied under Fighter to learn how to be all 4 sides of a standoff), Derplander and Darklander must be different people.

Originally Posted by Viridiana

Well, that depends. Is Darklander Derplander, or is he Dark!Derplander? After all, Derplander is the same person at Carteneau and in Ishgard, so logically the Derplander fighting Darklander is the original Derplander. But since he can't be both sides of a fight (not having studied under Fighter to learn how to be all 4 sides of a standoff), Derplander and Darklander must be different people.

Yet they were fighting ascians in that one cutscene, who put them on that path? And as noted in game, how could warriors of that power go unnoticed? Being the forgotten WoL would explain why no one knew them, at least one possible explanation. Although I'm sure we could come up with a bunch more.

The whole Dark/Derplander thing allows the story to be too muddled... . Seems odd that they could never have been one and the same.

To be honest, going into this patch I was very worried that I might be disappointed with developments, especially with regards to the Scions. Like a lot of people, I expected one Scion to be brought back per major number patch, but after an interview I'd read I was a bit worried that not everyone was going to make it back alive. Thankfully, this patch has gone above and beyond for me in many ways:

1. Most importantly for me, Thancred is back! The fact that he got a new look was not surprising, but the look itself was, though I quickly got used to it and in fact, it fits his roguish personality rather better than his simple tunic did. It took me a while to notice that Thancred got a tan and that his eyes went from olive to blue, but both changes are pretty good. I always did think that boy could use some color, especially since he was remarkably pale for someone who spent so much time in Ul'dah. His attitude regarding pretty much everything was completely expected, right down to his dismissal of his injuries. It also makes perfect sense for someone with his skills to be quite remarkable at surviving on his own. Given the Forelands' relative proximity to the Sharlayan colony, he probably also knew something of his surroundings. Also not a huge surprise that someone like him would be making his comeback in a fight rather than being rescued per se. And I was very glad to see that his priorities were his comrades, not Ishgard, and that he went straight to worrying about Minfilia upon learning that she was not with us. That's the Thancred I know and love. Unlike us, he has his head screwed on right.

2. Not too much focus was placed on Ishgard, least of all to the detriment of our search for our friends. That was a huge relief. I'm simply not a fan of Estinien, and imo he had his fate coming to him. Emphasis needs to be put back where it belongs: on our friends. We need to stop being babysitters for the Ishgardians.

3. More news were had about the other Scions. This was a delightful surprise, to be seeing Yda and Papalymo and having most of the people at Rising Stones give us news not only about them but also about Hoary and F'lhaminn being in Thavnair.

4. Though there was not much, the few bits of new music we had were just excellent! I'm really looking forward to a HW OST now, and feel that most of the two EPs had largely unremarkable music.

5. Alisaie is back, and what a great way to bring her back into the main scenario!

6. The introduction of the Warriors of Darkness was both amusing and impressive to me. The whole being dressed all in black is a bit stereotypical but their fight, and Thancred holding his own against the warrior, was pretty great to see. And speaking of new characters, Krile is quite the riot: not only is she interesting and intelligent, but she also snarks like a pro and has both the Echo *and* Blessing of Light.

Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I don't know why people keep thinking the WODs are primals or that the WOL him/herself is a primal. Considering how a primal being around ain't exactly subtle when they're just around, you would think at least one of the scions would have taken notice or that we'd be sucking the land dry everywhere we go. Don't give me that we're (including the WODs) are somehow special enough to be a primal, but without the negative aspects.

Actually, if you play with japanese voiceover, Krile says the word "tempered" somewhere in the sentence where, in english, she's referring to something about the Warriors of Darkness feeling off. My understanding, admittedly limited, was that she was saying something along the lines that they felt like tempereds. Aside from being convinced by Elidibus to join the Ascians' cause, which imo isn't likely given their aggressive aversion to them in that Echo of them, their being tempered by Zodiark could be one explanation for their sudden change in allegiances.

Originally Posted by Mykaelus

So in FFXIV, we have the original Warriors of Light, whose names and faces have been forgotten after the Calamity and Louisoux's time nonsense, only to be replaced by the new Warriors of Light.

I personally don't buy into that. Regardless of whether you're a new or old player, it seems clear to me that the lore intends your character to have been a returned warrior in 2.0. That whole cutscene with the Scions while you're escaping Praetorium, that for a legacy player is the Scions remembering your character. Outside of that context, that cutscene makes no sense, actually. Too flashy for just spotting you coming out of Praetorium. As 2.0 is a continuation of 1.0, it makes more sense to assume that all player characters, legacy or not, are returned and forgotten warriors.

Originally Posted by Alice_89th

As long as we don't get another Ul'Dah moment where

We get yanked out of our quest for peace with the dragons to discover that the Sultana is still alive, only to then return to our quest and never say a word about it again

[...]

Because that is what being suddenly told to go to Ul'dah felt like to me. Like I suddenly got shot way of course and then pushed back again like nothing ever happened.

To me, what always felt off-course in the first place was staying in Ishgard as long as we did. We definitely had more important priorities, such as finding our friends, and putting that on the backburner felt like a huge mistake. If you think of the events that took place in Ishgard, they probably covered a number of months in total, and that seems like a rather unacceptable amount of time to be ignoring our friends in favor of these lazy strangers who can't even be bothered to deal with their own problems themselves. I was actually surprised that Y'shtola stuck (and is still sticking) with us. Thancred's attitude of simply going home after the Ishgard business was done made much more sense to me. I wish my character was doing the same thing. At the very least though, I did visit Rising Stones and got some nice news from a number of people there.