Thread: 3.1 MSQ Reaction [SPOILERS]

Originally Posted by ZachrielCL

Has this point (that echo users have different abilites) been discussed about before?

It's legacy info, actually, dating back to the 1.0 story quest "Fade to White." Up until now, most of us just assumed that 2.0's take on it was a retcon, as (2.0) Minfilia seemed to imply the Echo was the same for everyone, and was even doing stuff with hers she wasn't in 1.0. Perhaps the simplest explanation is that it starts differently for everyone, but always grows towards the same end result.

OK, since there's been a lot since I said anything last and I was too tired / busy to do anything but snark last night... or yesterday morning... or whatever (time's weird when you do night shift), I'll be a little more objective now that I'm not excited from the new story content (and I can't waste time playing Lord of Verminion right now for... reasons).

Only on two main points, though, since there were scant few details elsewhere.

On Thancred
-He is, functionally, now a Garlean. Y'shtola's Flow could have blinded him in his one eye (left, I think), but his one is still functional - I'll need to review the still shots of him with nothing but the Nutkin to cover his naughty bits. Either way, he has lost the ability to use even the most basic of magic, and is now visibly aging as a result. I think it was stated somewhere long ago that the Archons were all using some sort of magic to halt their aging, and now that Thancred can no longer do so he may have quickly reverted to his true age.

No matter. He won't allow it to stop him and as far as I'm concerned he's just gone from "handsome" to "ruggedly handsome."

On The Chronicles of Gerun
-It seems to be a book of fate, with everything that has happened and will happen written in it. I admit I jumped the gun and was being too subjective when I blathered about changing fate, but the Ascians have so far seemed intent on "correcting the world" into what it was meant to be, and as Hydaelyn's agent (and thus her acting will) they constantly antagonize us. More importantly, if it is an accurate predictor of the future the Ascians should know that trying to fight us is futile; if that's so, why do they continue to do so? Without knowing that the Chronicles says the end of this all will be, it's impossible to say what we're going to need to do, but there may be some destiny screwing in there.

But then again, there may not be. Time will tell. Perhaps 3.2 will finally give us that carrot they've been dangling in front of us since godsdamned 2.1?!

Probably not...

You must not lose hope, Augurelt-kun!

I agree on Thancred; he lost an eye because he was fighting godsdamned bears naked with rocks. In a way it's impressive that's all he lost. There's nothing mystical about it.

Originally Posted by Laerune

- A certain twin sister will probaly contact her brother and she might reveal that Urianger is working or on friendly terms with the Ascians (still confused, they killed his best friend/lover).

I still don't get why people think he's being "friendly"; across multiple languages, it's been obvious that he's saying he'll hear them out, not get friendly with them. He's hearing them out because every damned thing went to hell in 2.55 and even if they're responsible for the death of Moen, at this point there's no harm in at least hearing what Elidibus wants to say.

And this is reinforced in 3.1, because Urianger sounds deeply skeptical more than anything. And I suspect he's finding more backbone now that the team is slowly being found.




What I want to know is - why on earth are they so adamant about not showing Yda's face? They've always, always been extremely guarded about that, and what we saw of her eyes didn't seem THAT exotic. And since when is she so down with Rhalgr? One gets the impression there's some history here we haven't heard about before...

Originally Posted by StarDrake

I still don't get why people think he's being "friendly"; across multiple languages, it's been obvious that he's saying he'll hear them out.

Agreed. Even if it someday goes that way (and I don't think it will), it has never moved beyond skeptical, protected meetings with an emissary. There are ancient, sacred rules of nonviolence for such a meeting. Remember how offended Elidibus was when he thought you might strike him? And that he was remorseful for having darkblasted Minfilia for trying to restrain him?

I used to have to cite multiple languages to give the rounded idea that he's there by invitation for discussion - Elidibus proffers a point of view, Urianger considers it while learning what he can. But this patch, it's clear. This is what you had me come all the way out here for? Hmph. Apocrypha. (A word meaning either that the author is unknown or its claims are considered inauthentic, and thus it is considered outside of a given established canon.)

Originally Posted by StarDrake

why on earth are they so adamant about not showing Yda's face? They've always, always been extremely guarded about that, and what we saw of her eyes didn't seem THAT exotic. And since when is she so down with Rhalgr?

Having seen flashes cheek, eye, forehead, and hair (enough to make a composite portrait), unless SE retcons in something we've never seen where it "should" have been covered (and they very well might), Yda just seems to prefer to have her face covered. In 3.1, I think they were just hiding it out of tradition - that we haven't seen her before and it's better to do the revelations in 3.2 - her patch (and Papalymo's).

While it might be a hint about connections with Ala Mhigo, she's at least down with Rhalgr because he's the god of destruction and patron deity of people who punch things. She may not be a monk (as far as we know), but Eorzea is all about the Twelve and he's a good match for her; she likes punching more than puzzles. Imho, separate, her and Papalymo weren't really cut out for the Circle's purposes, but together they were among the best the Circle had to offer.

Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

Maybe she's a Garlean, or an Ala Mhigan Half-Garlean.

Or that - following the retcon over the "shouldn't have seen" forehead we've "seen" previously idea. Cid's third eye was added in ARR, as well, since you shouldn't have been able to see his forehead in 1.0 (though you could if you just clipped his goggles). She does have blue eyes...

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I find all these theories on the Gerun book to be pretty fascinating.

It looked to me like Elidibus was just saying,
"Of all the tales, this one is the one you need to be reading. That's the true genesis of this world, and its destiny. Surely it's obvious that not the power of the Warrior of Light, the Garleans, or even the Triad can change anything. All of our histories have been preordained."

And that's why I immediately responded with the "anything can change" line - he's sounding an awful lot like Fire Emblem: Awakening's Validar at this point, a villain who is obsessed with following a preordained destiny to the ruinous future. (Cf. the protagonists, who are absolutely against this path to the point the main protagonist's battle cry becomes "Anything can change!" compared to Validar's "It has all been written!") Even if The Chronicles of Gerun is an accurate history of the origin of the world, and has been accurate thus far, armed with the knowledge of what is "supposed" to happen it should be possible to change it. A future isn't something you choose, after all - it's something you create, and there's no reason we can't create a future that's not written in the Chronicles.

Well, besides the fact that this is a game and the story is not in our hands, but... details, details.

Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

Maybe [Yda]'s a Garlean, or an Ala Mhigan Half-Garlean.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say she hails from Ala Mhigo.