3.1 MSQ Reaction [SPOILERS]

**CyrilLucifer** · 11-25-2015 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Belhi

So where exactly would Zodiark fit into all of that though?

Well, if you're referring to the XI bits from the interview, I'd say Promathia is the closest analogue we have at the moment given we saw him as a giant Dark Crystal similar to Hydaelyn.

In XI, Promathia, God of Twilight is - and these are kinda big CoP spoilers, so I'm going to spoiler them, even though it's like 12 years old:

1. The father of all of the mortal races.
2. Killed/Banished/Chained before creation.
3. The counterpart to Altana, the Dawn Goddess. They seemed to be lovers, as implied by Dawn.
3.5. As with WotG, Altana did something rather foolish in a desperate bid to ensure his continued existence. She spread his essence throughout the mortals. In doing so, she destroyed the singular mothercrystal and it split up into to 5 we have in modern XI.
4. Promathia did create an Emptiness, the purpose of which was the return of all things to death in Apocalypse. He sought to reunite all of himself that Altana split, the parts of mortals, more than out of actual hate.

Here's the lore summary, right from the very last cutscene of CoP, it basically just says the above, but it's in-game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8H_REHvISc

Despite having control of XIV's Voidspawn equivalent in XI, I'd definitely say Odin is not an analogue.

Since Yoshi's XI comment was related to it having alternate worlds and possibly being used in a XIV context similarly, Promathia's related to three of the four we know of in XI:
The lack of 3.5 from my spoilers above happening at all because 2 didn't happen, which basically didn't lead to creation. This is the last one Rocl mentioned that I forgot about - Provenance.
Us failing to defeat him and stop the spread of his Emptiness, which sent the world into a cataclysm in Abyssea when he mutated into Shinryu.
Something to do with Iroha's future world as well, since that has to do with Emptiness, but I haven't played the last Rhapsodies chapter.

This all being said, I don't think they're going to be drawing directly from XI. I think Yoshi's just saying we're going to be using similar thematic elements, such as in WotG familiar characters being antagonists in the other world due to differing circumstances, a failure of one event to occur changing everything, or something equivalent to Altana's emotional response that ended up almost destroying everything (also used in XIII, by the way), but also leading to all of creation.

**Belhi** · 11-25-2015 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by VargasVermillion

This would mean everyone other than those at carteneu would of been primals as well since bahamut's calamity didn't reach the entire planet from what i can recall, it changed it a fair amount but eorzea suffered the most damage.

I doubt its that simple. The Ascians have been active for a very long time. If we had split worlds I suspect it would have happened back in the Age of the Gods before the first umbral calamity.

**Rocl** · 11-25-2015 09:21 PM

To tug on the XI multiverse thread we have here, it could be something as simply that every reality is a shard of Zodiark and that by making Zodiark whole again would destroy ours and every other universe. This world of a "complete" Zodiark and a complete Hydaelyn is the 'natural' state of reality--one we've deviated from somehow. (This doesn't explain why Hydaelyn is seen as a blight by the Ascians) However, Hydaelyn doesn't seem to be on the same cosmic level of power as Altana yet so to give Zodiark so much power in this hypothetical is suspect at best.

Fractured realities, multiple parallel dimensions, "everything you know is wrong" is so very Final Fantasy though.

**Yuyuka3** · 11-26-2015 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Belhi

I doubt its that simple. The Ascians have been active for a very long time. If we had split worlds I suspect it would have happened back in the Age of the Gods before the first umbral calamity.

This, and we see Lahabrea at Carteneau before Bahamut breaks free and the battle between him and Louisoix takes place. Since he is said to be 'of this world', but already existed there, I doubt the world our characters are in was newly created during the seventh calamity. Besides, Ramuh's comment that in the beginning, there was neither light nor darkness, would fit much better with the Age of the Gods, I think.

**VargasVermillion** · 11-26-2015 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Belhi

I doubt its that simple. The Ascians have been active for a very long time. If we had split worlds I suspect it would have happened back in the Age of the Gods before the first umbral calamity.

I was more or less saying that the world being a 'primal' created by phoenix theory didn't work. The calamity didn't hit the entire planet, mostly Eorzea. Could happen at lot longer ago sure but not after carteneau.

**Ziatrix** · 11-26-2015 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Belhi

If we had split worlds I suspect it would have happened back in the Age of the Gods before the first umbral calamity.

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

in the beginning, there was neither light nor darkness, would fit much better with the Age of the Gods, I think.

For all the time I've been a lurker on these forums, and I can't help but ponder on these in a rather... wild theory, and a bit to sum it up. Perhaps during the Age of the Gods, Zodiark and Hydaelyn were one, of sorts, then something made Hydaelyn split to the point that the Ascians consider her to be a blight?

It sounded better in my head...

To go back to the main topic, 3.1 MSQ was an absolute roller coaster of emotions for me, having done it within 3 hours. It was short, yes, and perhaps next patch I'll slow down on the questing to not get that borderline mood whiplash, but I loved it.

**AutumnHarvestwind** · 11-26-2015 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

WoTG FFXI[/HB]

Holyfuck that's really cool. I only unlocked WoTG on my taru whitemage when i was in my early teens and i just only wanted to do the campaign battles...never knew i missed out on such a good story.

**CyrilLucifer** · 11-26-2015 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by AutumnHarvestwind

Holyfuck that's really cool. I only unlocked WoTG on my taru whitemage when i was in my early teens and i just only wanted to do the campaign battles...never knew i missed out on such a good story.

Yes, once WotG got started it was very good. It just took SE about 2 real life years to complete its story and it had some really dumb decisions, like having to complete a series of side quests in tangent with the main quest in order to continue.

That being said, if you ever go back to it, go down the Windurst path, it deals with Karaha-Baruha and the summoning on Fenrir. Definitely the best of the three required sub-storylines, in my opinion.

**Tenkuu** · 11-26-2015 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by ExKage

Imagine that you have lived for over 100,000 years. 100 years of that is just a tiny tiny fraction. In fact, it's pretty hard for us to imagine because we won't even live close to that long. They live their lives much differently than we do. Their concept of time is very different. Thousands of years and Tiamat still has to punish herself.

Yup, that's pretty much exactly how I feel. I've seen people argue that time passing differently for dragons isn't an excuse, but of course it's a valid reason because it means they see their lives in a completely different way than humans do.

And it's not like Nidhogg's thoughts are shared totally by Midgardsomr and his other children. But they do understand the hate and anger. Some of them would like to get past that, yes. Nidhogg is one hateful dragon but I can't completely blame him just as I can't completely blame the current generation of innocent Ishgardians.

I don't agree that all Ishgardians should die, but I still sympathize a lot more with Nidhogg than I do with them. The Ishgardians have always struck me as a lazy bunch who never tried to solve the situation on their own, even though they have a ton of dragoons at their disposal. Say what you will about Nidhogg being out of reach, but it's a fact that we're not only people who could have come up with a way to deal with that.

**Tenkuu** · 11-26-2015 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

And even then, torturing the greatgrandson/daughter of someone who killed your sister won't bring her back alive, it won't help anyone and will only create more hate and bloodshed in the long run, on both sides. It is meaningless. But that's exactly what happened here; Nidhogg condemned not only Ishgard, but his own children, too. And that's something I got no understanding for.

Doesn't matter that it won't bring them back to life, what matters is the hurt and remaining bitter feelings that something like that betrayal caused, the feeling that you've been wronged. Also, if a person killed another person's sister and ate their remains, the children of that person wouldn't have the sister's blood in them, so the two situations can hardly be compared. Tbh, it's quite cunning of Nidhogg to use something that they stole from a dragon against them.

I'm absolutely not interested in Ala Mhigo... everything I've seen from Ala Mhigans, with some exceptions like Raubahn and Wilred, was very negative. I don't want to help them. However, in the long run, it will be necessary to liberate the place, and yes, there will be conflict at this time. Besides, I think Yoshida mentioned they would bring the Garleans back within this patch cycle, so it is possible we will be heading there soon. Even though I would like to see other places much more as well. However, I got the feeling I would punch in one face or the other over at Sharlayan, so not sure if that's the best place to be for me

I can see some good in the Ala Mhigans. As to the Sharlayans, I'm really interested in seeing exactly how they'd explain away their policy of non-interference. I would probably want to punch a few people too, especially given the implication that it's not just Louisoix but all of the members of the former Circle of Knowing who are looked badly upon by them. However, I get the feeling that ultimately, advanced technology and knowledge or not, the Sharlayans will be forced into the same conflict as the rest of the world.

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