St. Mocianne's Arvboretum Boss Notes

[Cold_Raven]

Question for Healers:

How do you handle the bees?

It should be noted that the bees are not "the healer's" problem.
They are the party's problem.

Tank can stun them, DPS can stun them, DPS can kill them...
All options that should be held accountable alongside healers... not healers only. 4/4's of the party can have an affect on the mechanic, here. That means it's never 1/4 of the party's single fault if the mechanic goes off.

Anyone blaming any single party-member for a bee issue is only covering up their own lack of foresight for the fight's required mechanics.

[Tsilyi]

Bee clouds and Orn Hornets are the ones that final sting. the rest do not afaik. So kill those.

[JackFross]

It's only the Orn Hornets. The Healer should (normally) not have to worry about this. I've run it on healer with a Paladin who didn't pop any cooldowns for the bee swarm (requiring me to just bomb him with heals - couldn't even break to swift a holy if I wanted to) and he dropped to final sting because he didn't stun it.

As a tank, you should be holding your stun, maintaining hate, cycling cooldowns and *single-target-dpsing* the Orn Hornet. You should be able to kill it before the second one spawns (be sure to stun Final Sting). Never blame the healer if the tank dies to Final Sting. It's generally the rest of the party's job to make sure that doesn't happen.


Aside from that, as a healer, I just do what my tank is comfortable with. I can heal through the bees if I have to, but I generally prefer it if the party kills the group at the first honeycomb before running to the second. When I tank it, that's what I do, just because I know how much strain is put on healers when you make that obnoxiously huge pull. I'd rather one-shot than wipe while trying to shave off 1 minute of dungeon time.

[Atoli]

It's sweet how people still expect others to do their job if it involves more than "blindly hitting the first thing I see"
It's the healer's job to keep everyone alive, so there is no point in playing the blame game after someone died, since I DO have the ability to stun/knockback.
Yes, tanks and dps have that too, but, again, would you really rather rely on other party members only to be blamed later?
Because, after all, they have one argument you can't say anything about: final sting does not kill the tank. Your lack of healing or reaction speed kills him. The fact that it is WAY HARDER to save a tank who got hit by final sting than to just stun the cast does not matter, in the end the tank died to something that doesn't take his full HP, so it's the healer's fault if he drops.

That said, I dislike the full pull too. There is just so much dmg I have to heal away, that both tank and healer end up pretty spent on mana once we enter the boss room. And being still engaged, the regeneration takes ages. In that time, we could have just killed the first group up there..xD
I know how to conserve enough MP to start the fight immediately, but then you get DRKs and PLDs who are like "I'm ooM, we can't start yet or I won't be able to aggro the adds" and ignore anyone who tells them that they do not need to be aggro'd.
And then there's the group of tanks who flatout refuse to start a fight without the healer at full MP, even if I explicitly say I'm fine and we can start.
So yeah, the big pull does not end up saving as much time as many people think it does

[marewa]

On another note, this dungeon is beautiful at night.