Quote Originally Posted by Coglin View Post
Yes, I am familiar with the methodology, I simply have not seen a write up on where SS II was tested. I must be missing it when I read the information on your link?
I believe he is referring to this table (written up by Leta as well).

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2623/enmtable.png

Where as Stoneskin I is equivalent to 9 enmity while Stoneskin II at Rk50 is also equivalent to 9 enmity. Wether or not it's multiplied over the amount of members who receive the effect I'm not quite sure. But I can tell you from personal testing that Soughspeak >> Stoneskin II will generate no hate which I have yet to see posted here. According to that chart soughspeak looks to be a -10 enm, which would look to imply if I don't pull hate casting over 8 members that Stoneskin II is not multiplied over the amount of members casted on, but a single 9 enmity generation per cast. (This could also only be appearing that way because 1 member has solid hate, I'm not quite sure but if someone has some more tests or experience with this it would be great to hear back, but from personal experience/findings it looks to be a static +9 enmity generation regardless if it hits 1~8members)

I'm not sure if this was a change or if it has always been this way (looks like it has been this way since testing took place). Ever since PLing was introduced our group noticed it prior to PLing patch when attempting lower CNJs / THMs to avoid receiving hate. I also use this Ifrit as we tested the tank running in to aggro then a CNJ proceeded to soughspeak >> Stoneskin II for no hate. Although, this might also refer back to the original enmity testing Kanican made about 'super tanking' when a mob is simply 'yellow' either way, when testing this out during PLing the mobs were red. A simple 'cure' or 'poisona' would draw hate if the MRD had not AoE'd yet while a soughspeak >> Stoneskin II wouldn't even draw them away.


Hope this helps some of you all I find it a nifty trick while leveling my fiance's CNJ @ strongholds.

D: Sorry for wall of text! Happy findings!