Learning how to properly play AST

[Vlady]

White mage still has a slight edge on aoe healing but astro is the stronger single target healer now and the better tank healer. Tetra,bene and divine seal still is behind in stnastry and essential.

And no I show my unpleasant side after seeing five posts in a row from people who like to troll. Keep the thread civil and ill gladly follow suite. And if I am wrong normally ghislain comes around to humble me lol.

[NamoNanamo]

WHM still has a slight advantage over AST with the current meta of one solo healer + one SCH. WHM has slightly more of a throughput in terms of healing with divine seal (lower cooldown and higher healing increase than synystry) and 3 oGCD heals, one which is aoe and restores mana as well. However, AST brings buffs to the party that WHM doesn't, which are tied to a little too much RNG still. Currently in savage WHM edges AST out due to the healing requirements with solo heal + SCH. This may all change with the next raid patch.

Well, Whm has assize, it's great, it can heal or Damage. But remember that Ast got a mana reduction on his healing spell (except for Aspected benefic that cost more). 353 mana for "Benefic" vs"442" for cure (ex. You can see that all the spell got lower mana. Gravity is cheaper too

And about Synastry, you maybe get an 10 % less increase than ds but the spell is stronger than Divine seal. 40% of original spell within 20 sec for the one that got synastry. You can't beat that.

Whm is easier to play when you get content with heavy aoe.
A1s, Medica2 and his range. Medica II is enough to keep everybody alive.
a3s, Medica2, asylum, Assyze, Cure III. So it's much easier than Ast. Unless if you lack of dps, Ast can help.

But for A2s. No aoe, in term of healing, you can really shine with ast. Synastry is strong and he allows you to solo heal with ease.


Use gravity on the guys with the highest Hp, cause if he die before the cast, you lost the spell

[DarkmoonVael]

Well, Whm has assize, it's great, it can heal or Damage. But remember that Ast got a mana reduction on his healing spell (except for Aspected benefic that cost more). 353 mana for "Benefic" vs"442" for cure (ex. You can see that all the spell got lower mana. Gravity is cheaper too

And about Synastry, you maybe get an 10 % less increase than ds but the spell is stronger than Divine seal. 40% of original spell within 20 sec for the one that got synastry. You can't beat that.

Whm is easier to play when you get content with heavy aoe.
A1s, Medica2 and his range. Medica II is enough to keep everybody alive.
a3s, Medica2, asylum, Assyze, Cure III. So it's much easier than Ast. Unless if you lack of dps, Ast can help.

But for A2s. No aoe, in term of healing, you can really shine with ast. Synastry is strong and he allows you to solo heal with ease.

Yeah synastry really shines in single target/double target healing. I love the fact they changed the old version of synastry, which was very very weak, to this version.

With a2s i think whm vs ast is all down to group preferance more than anything now. AST can bring some useful healing cooldowns and gravity, whilst whm can bring more dps in the earlier waves.

Kind of makes you wonder if in the next raid tier they make healing checks slightly lower will the meta change firmly to sch/ast as raid healers?

But anyway, i fear we are derailing the original topic a little.

[Anyendryyl]

Lol love all the hate nocturnal sect is getting. I have watched an astro solo heal ravana ex in nocturnal. I can't do it personally, but I'm trying to get better with it. Personally nocturnal to me is fun as shit. And very helpful. But yes, you do more overall healing in diurnal.

[Vlady]

Lol love all the hate nocturnal sect is getting. I have watched an astro solo heal ravana ex in nocturnal. I can't do it personally, but I'm trying to get better with it. Personally nocturnal to me is fun as shit. And very helpful. But yes, you do more overall healing in diurnal.

I dun think nocturnal sect is really getting any hate. If your group has the mechanics down ravana extreme could probably be solo healed by an astro without even being in any sect. The issue is the astrologian is a sort of wierd hybrid that is on par with white mage now but shift into nocturnal does not really work well to replace the scholar.. I hope they will turn nocturnal into a unique offensive buff for astro with a unique shield mechanic over just trying to copy/paste parts of the scholar since they did buff potencies for duirnal stance.

The gimmick does not work well either when you can job change to white mage or scholar which makes a hybrid healer of both healer roles a bit forced.

[Kerrigen]

Lol love all the hate nocturnal sect is getting. I have watched an astro solo heal ravana ex in nocturnal. I can't do it personally, but I'm trying to get better with it. Personally nocturnal to me is fun as shit. And very helpful. But yes, you do more overall healing in diurnal.

Ravana ex was solo healable like 5 months ago, I'm not sure this is a good benchmark.

[GarnetTribal]

Lol love all the hate nocturnal sect is getting. I have watched an astro solo heal ravana ex in nocturnal. I can't do it personally, but I'm trying to get better with it. Personally nocturnal to me is fun as shit. And very helpful. But yes, you do more overall healing in diurnal.

The fight is rhythmic. Just like Shiva, if you get it down, you don't really have to take any damage. Solo healing Ravana isn't saying much.

[AzureFlare]

Lol love all the hate nocturnal sect is getting. I have watched an astro solo heal ravana ex in nocturnal. I can't do it personally, but I'm trying to get better with it. Personally nocturnal to me is fun as shit. And very helpful. But yes, you do more overall healing in diurnal.

Only two parts about Ravana ex that made it difficult solohealing Ravana was the second 'neutral stance' phase, and the third one. Once you get the timing down for the AoE you can just pre-cast Helios and get right back to healing the MT. Not difficult at all.

And nocturnal sect isn't getting the hate, but no one wants to speak the forbidden words since we all know what happened when we got remotely close, so asking for nocturnal to get buffed/revised (or AST as a whole) seems more lucrative. Nocturnal sect is fine in a vacuum, behind Diurnal but being able to grant more eHP than Diurnal and stronger burst healing (and making AST ridiculously mobile). The results show in Seize Rock where Nocturnal Sect shines, but fights like that won't happen in PvE for the next 3 years or so, if we are lucky.

AST plays out really nice compared to the other healers when you get the 'combo' feel going, where you can chain CU into an AoE card into LA + CO, or similar combos with Synastry + LA&CO, but it also means you might need to delay LA for longer than you want or give up on the extended LA which makes your cooldowns line up differently and may hurt in the long run.

[FoxyAreku]

He doesn't care about your opinion. So your statement is wrong.
Btw, except few person, you are like Vlady, you throws "fact" and expect people to agree with you.

Not at all, I back everything up and don't let my own bias get the better of me, I don't speak in opinions, I speak in facts and generally accepted statements. This is the exact opposite of vlady who is so biased that he thought astro was just as good if not a better healer than the other two before it even got buffed, which is highly laughable.

I've made it very clear on multiple accounts that Astro is my favorite healer to play, but the flaws it has are so obvious I get baffled anytime someone is blind to them. I bring these to light because I want them to be fixed, how can people not understand that? I want Astro to be the best healer, but it ain't gonna happen for awhile by the looks of it. The kit is just too restricted.

I do give people too much credit though I suppose. Should be obvious a class with nearly dozen more healing abilities and healing related cooldowns would be better at throughput.

Don't spread such rubbish about me when you clearly don't know anything about me or my posting history, thx.

[NamoNanamo]

Don't spread such rubbish about me when you clearly don't know anything about me or my posting history, thx.

I don't need to know about your posting history.
You think you are better than him, you think you are clearly stating fact but you aren't.
I don't care that you want Astro to be the best healer, I don't care that Ast is your favorite healer. It's not relevant at all.

This is a fact, and anyone who says otherwise is honestly highly uneducated. /sarcasm

Now, if you want to prove that whm/sch is better than Ast. Don't give "fact" but explain why you think they are better.