Learning how to properly play AST

[FoxyAreku]

So many things wrong with this statement.

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously. Get outta here.

[NamoNanamo]

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously. Get outta here.

He doesn't care about your opinion. So your statement is wrong.
Btw, except few person, you are like Vlady, you throws "fact" and expect people to agree with you.

[Vlady]

The first sign of not being able to articulate yourself properly is to start slinging mud at whom you argue against. Instead of a mindless dribble I have to read about how subjugated the astro is against our superior overlords someone tell me what makes the white mage so much stronger then the astro.

Stop being stupid and ill gladly lay off.

[Vlady]

And no I don't care if not a single person agrees with me. I do care about people's view who puts out a well thought out proposal and not a knee jerk reaction that is not merited. Last thing I want to see is one job overwhelmingly cause other two to be benched. The astrologian blows the white mage away on healing now because for some wierd reason the astro had to be as good at healing as the white mage and now people want the same treatment for competing with scholars..

[DarkmoonVael]

And no I don't care if not a single person agrees with me. I do care about people's view who puts out a well thought out proposal and not a knee jerk reaction that is not merited. Last thing I want to see is one job overwhelmingly cause other two to be benched. The astrologian blows the white mage away on healing now because for some wierd reason the astro had to be as good at healing as the white mage and now people want the same treatment for competing with scholars..

You really are the last person to be telling others to stop with the knee jerk reactions. Anyone just has to look at your forum history to see why.

WHM still has a slight advantage over AST with the current meta of one solo healer + one SCH. WHM has slightly more of a throughput in terms of healing with divine seal (lower cooldown and higher healing increase than synystry) and 3 oGCD heals, one which is aoe and restores mana as well. However, AST brings buffs to the party that WHM doesn't, which are tied to a little too much RNG still. Currently in savage WHM edges AST out due to the healing requirements with solo heal + SCH. This may all change with the next raid patch.

As for OP, use diurnal, once. Atank has pulled, used synystry on tank, aspected benefic, aspected helios, collective unconsciousness once all regens are up time dialtion on them, giggle maniacally at the regen power, cleric stance, lots of gravity. Get used to using essential dignity as its a really nice healing ability on a short cooldown. Try and draw card cooldown to cooldown and see what you can do with them and have fun .

[Vlady]

White mage still has a slight edge on aoe healing but astro is the stronger single target healer now and the better tank healer. Tetra,bene and divine seal still is behind in stnastry and essential.

And no I show my unpleasant side after seeing five posts in a row from people who like to troll. Keep the thread civil and ill gladly follow suite. And if I am wrong normally ghislain comes around to humble me lol.

[FoxyAreku]

He doesn't care about your opinion. So your statement is wrong.
Btw, except few person, you are like Vlady, you throws "fact" and expect people to agree with you.

Not at all, I back everything up and don't let my own bias get the better of me, I don't speak in opinions, I speak in facts and generally accepted statements. This is the exact opposite of vlady who is so biased that he thought astro was just as good if not a better healer than the other two before it even got buffed, which is highly laughable.

I've made it very clear on multiple accounts that Astro is my favorite healer to play, but the flaws it has are so obvious I get baffled anytime someone is blind to them. I bring these to light because I want them to be fixed, how can people not understand that? I want Astro to be the best healer, but it ain't gonna happen for awhile by the looks of it. The kit is just too restricted.

I do give people too much credit though I suppose. Should be obvious a class with nearly dozen more healing abilities and healing related cooldowns would be better at throughput.

Don't spread such rubbish about me when you clearly don't know anything about me or my posting history, thx.

[Nekotee]

I want Astro to be the best healer, but it ain't gonna happen for awhile by the looks of it. The kit is just too restricted.

I do suppose that you're speaking about the DPS toolkit...
Because in term of healing the toolkit is fine. You can deal with all the situation with all the spell you have. Plus if good rng your card will ease it up even more.

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By the way, you said that a class that have a dozen more heal or healing CD is better...
With this statement
Whm is first with one more ability than AST
Ast is second because SCH is last with nearly no healing spell beside physic and adlo

It's not how many spell or great CD you have that make a good heal... It's how they are used and fit the situation

Sorry nothing is obvious
And the AST after boost is on par with the other, no more no less

[FoxyAreku]

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Half of their abilities are related to card buffs, which hurts their ability to keep up in throughput.
Again...worst is not the same as bad. Astro is worse than both scholar and white mage in both healing throughput and damage done. This doesn't mean that they aren't fine for all the content currently in the game, at all. I'm not sure what we're even debating anymore, nor how I can spell this out for you any further. Compare an AST healing numbers to the numbers capable by the other two jobs and AST will always come out last, I'll number crunch for you if that's what you're wanting.
Also for scholar-you forgot succor, emergency tactics, lustrate, indom, Embrace, Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination, and dissipation. Cooldowns and oGCDs count, since AST has a ridiculous low amount of them related to healing (Essential Dignity and Synastry are about it, you can maybe count lightspeed too if you're feeling lenient).

Aetherflow and Energy Drain also makes a scholar's mana management a lot easier and more reliable than an astrologian.

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I guess what I asked of you was too hard. ;P Oh well.

[AzureFlare]

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Don't. Really, go ahead and number crunch, but you'll never get a spreadsheet consistent with a fight unless it is like.. Faust 2.0 or something. And AST ogcd/cooldown isn't 'ridiculously low', they are on par with WHM. What is low is the amount of healing AST can do directly through OGCD/ability (WHM Assize/Tetra/Bene vs AST Essential Dignity vs SCH Lustrate).
Most people forget Celestial Opposition becomes powerful the moment you get to combo it into your other abilities, but this has the innate weakness of blowing all your abilities just for potency, the same way you'll almost never see a situation where you need to stack PoM and DS as a WHM. CO 'can' be a 300 potency heal if you combo it in CU (80 per target for A.Helios), almost rivaling Assize. It 'can' be giving you extra Benefic 2s worth of mana (Lightspeed combo), it 'can' give you more single target potency (Synastry/Aspected Benefic). The same way Time Dilation 'can' give you 5 Aspected Benefic, 5 Aspected Helios and 5 CU ticks, which is a total of 1650 potency (rivaling Lustrate potency-wise when all 3 Aetherflow are spent on it).

But that requires the Astrologian to have both a need for those combos and be in Diurnal, on top of coordinating to pull them off. If all those 'can's don't show the exact reason people tend to prefer WHM over AST still, I don't know what else.
AST vs SCH is a non-debate because SCH is the best pseudo-DPS/Healer hybrid of the three. You only need them for burst/mitigation checks and otherwise a SCH is just a DPS with an easier rotation and lower output.