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    NamoNanamo's Avatar
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    Mimifu Mifu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    @Namo

    And yeah it work on all cooldown before and after the card
    But cooldown must be use only a few sec before/after the card
    If there is 30sec left on swiftcast CD the spear won't work
    60 * 0.8 = 48 sec
    ? It doesn't work like you said. IF you use A CD BEFORE the spear, you don't have any reduc cd. I've redo Tested with swiftcast and it shows me the same result. My experiment is simple.

    SPAM Draw to get Spear=> Swiftcast=> use spear 0.5 sec after=> Look timer=> It doesn't change anything. So it doesn't work even if you use it a few sec before the card. BUT, Be careful, the recast time will show you the recast timer "48sec" but it's not the real timer. If you want to see it, put your mouse on the spell, use it, look at the picture and you will see the real cd.
    So i'm confused, You don't seems to understand me. I didn't use a chronometer but I will.

    My AST had like 4/5 ilevel différence with the whm
    And I was able to heal more than him
    And after test my spell were stronger than his (cure vs benefic)
    And I was diurnal
    Plz, don't say things like, it hurts me a lot.



    I've done and down Thordan with my Ast Noc Shield And It's pretty good. You need to move a lot so you can use aspected Benefic while you run. Light Speed is fantastic when you need to aoe heal while you run ;o.
    Synastry is fine. CU always help a bit. And I got my Heavensmeter.
    Clearly, Ast is a good choice for this fight. And the arena is little so you can aoe (heal/shield/card) without miss someone. And there was multiple down time that let you prepare your card.
    Thordan is really friendly for Astrologian.

    Quote Originally Posted by AzureFlare View Post
    @AzureFlare Stuff
    I mostly agree. But you can use time dilation on halved potency card. It's not that bad. You need to adapt. Rng is rng :x
    For the lower mana cost. Only for benefic/II, helios/Aspected helios and Gravity.
    Aspected benefic cost more than regen. And whm got Free cure/Assize. And stone III MaleficII cost the same.

    But, Ast got co/ewer/Aether combo.

    It's maybe something but I play Noct Sect, I used A lot of Aspected Benefic and you need to be careful about your mana consumption.
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    Last edited by NamoNanamo; 11-19-2015 at 12:39 PM.

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    Nekotee's Avatar
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    Akihiko Hoshie
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    @Namo

    Oh ok thx for check for the spear
    Then this card is even more harder to use
    (I was pretty sûre that it work even on CD that be used... But since i did not use spear in a loooong time...)

    @Foxy
    A situation when AST is better than the other ?
    Pretty easy
    Alexander 1 savage, the double prey + plasma is a piece of cake for the AST because of synastry
    The jump are easily deal with his collective unconscious
    Popping lumAether right before and flashing CO make everything easier

    But one thing I completely agree with you is the DPS...
    SCH and WHM are both far far better

    ...

    Oh good to know that noct AST is good for thordan
    Now i need some more experience with the fight...
    I only know it on paper....
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    Sohee Kim
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    I fail to understand how exactly calling AST the "worst" healer of the three is giving tips to someone as to how to be better at the job. Anyways, there were good tips made. Not sure if anyone else has posted. But I tend to use Lightspeed and Synastry if things somehow go south. 95% of the time it prevents a wipe or the death of someone.
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seoulstar View Post
    I fail to understand how exactly calling AST the "worst" healer of the three is giving tips to someone as to how to be better at the job. Anyways, there were good tips made. Not sure if anyone else has posted. But I tend to use Lightspeed and Synastry if things somehow go south. 95% of the time it prevents a wipe or the death of someone.
    It just kind of devolved into that after my first post on page one in response to OP's worries if AST could keep up with WHM/SCH completely unintentionally and I do apologize. Some people are incredibly stubborn, myself being one of them.
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    Last edited by FoxyAreku; 11-19-2015 at 07:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    It just kind of devolved into that after my first post on page one in response to OP's worries if AST could keep up with WHM/SCH completely unintentionally and I do apologize. Some people are incredibly stubborn, myself being one of them.
    Well at least you're apologizing, so +1 for that lol
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    Akihiko Hoshie
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    I do agree that some spell of the SCH are pretty great
    And crit adlo is a blessing

    It's just that with synastry you got double healing without switching target
    Either virus or disable can be macro to be use without targeting... And virus is stronger...

    Oh i do agree that on jump, scholar can be super strong with an adlo + deploy

    ...

    I feel that A1S is really a fight where AST can shine while A2S is far more à SCH fight
    (Ok and since i'm not a fan of WHM... I see him as the second EoS that fly around me and try to heal the group)

    As for me... I don't see a healer under an other...
    They are all different
    And pretty much on par in term of healing
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    Last edited by Nekotee; 11-19-2015 at 07:34 PM.

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    Areku Foxfire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    (Ok and since i'm not a fan of WHM... I see him as the second EoS that fly around me and try to heal the group)
    WHM=Eos 2.0 confirmed.

    Nah I get you man. Ast is great, it just needs a bit more tweaking really.
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    Just give eos something like a medica and whm can kick out of all group XD

    Eos super mantra is really great xP
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    Ebi Frye
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    Eos super mantra is really great xP
    It doesn't even work like Mantra, it's an AOE Divine Seal (well Synastry would be more accurate as it's 20%).
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    "throughput" seems to be the word of the day, shoehorned into every post
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