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    The friend request thing is new for me. It happened a few times this week but wasn't a problem until it came out in patch. I denied and blocked them, the problem went away as fast as it showed up.

    Like most everyone else it's the pink walls of spam from tells that is most intrusive and the main problem is I don't have an ability to manage my block list aside from one at a time. Having to manually remove deleted characters? That's just bullshit. I shouldn't even need to do that.

    There should be a report/ block action that wipes the chat, blocks the spammer and doesn't add them to the 200 list. I don't mind blocking them but I really don't want to manage the block list every 6 weeks in the tedious manual way we are made to do it.

    I've said it before. If these scrubs want to pay SE $12 a month to barf spam, I don't mind blocking them.
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    Last edited by Ksenia; 11-10-2015 at 03:49 AM.
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    Make creating a character on the same server puts the account into a cooldown. Say 1 new character per day. Then they can't circumvent the FL block unless they use another account.
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    A lot of these suggestions punish the general population instead of just a handful, that's not right. Suggestions are good but offer suggestions that don't unduly punish or hurt others who follow the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterLuna View Post
    Friend requests are a problem. I have played on two very different servers, and on one, friend request spam was absolutely insane. This will definitely help servers which have this problem. Remember that just because you don't experience it doesn't mean that nobody else does.

    However, for the servers that experience a lot more /tells, /shouts and /says, this isn't going to help any. They could certainly do more about the RMT's but I'm glad they've acknowledged them and taken a first step.
    I never really liked the idea that people consider this the "first step". I agree with what you say otherwise, but it's important to remember that RMT is hardly a new problem (referring to SE's acknowledgement), nor is this the first move/step on SE's part to make "an effort to curb RMT activity", as the patch notes worded it. They've done many things to do that... they were just, mostly, half-assed. For anyone around during the first few weeks of launch, they'd probably recall that insane amount of /shout and /yell spam that happened. I'm not talking about over a long period of time neither, but rather a couple hundred /shouts or more per minute. It hit every server, I think, which forced SE to action. They stopped it for a short while, but only by apparently adding in a simple filter that detected the "www" spam, among some other minor things. RMT then resorted to /tell, which were FAR worse than it is now... imagine those hundreds slightly condensed and transitioned to /tell. They added in a few more chat filters and detection tools. Then we were left in a rut for a very long time. Enduring tons of Friend Requests and /tells, most of which were a result of the free trial liberties, when action was finally taken... involving simply removing the FR ability from those trial accounts. Again, after enduring it for a very long period of time for such a basic elementary level fix. Now, we're back to square one it seems, with only minor improvements and less flooded spam.

    My point is that SE needs to do more than the "first step" approach. Their efforts also involved the monthly RMT report, which to anyone who has experienced or noticed how RMT operate, literally does nothing for the problem at hand. For us in this game, our experience is one involving socializing. Chat logs and things related to it (like FRs). This isn't like FFXI where their presence literally interfered with you playing the game. Imagine if Hunts were claim based and RMT wanted to monopolize them as a means to sell kills. Unless pos hacked like them, you weren't going to get claim. Or if endgame were open world, claim based, and it dropped sellable items (like the items to make craftable goods that are currently possible), you'd be competing against a non-stop flood of hacks and bots. None of that is a problem here, just the social part. Removing their accounts is part of the process, but it doesn't amount to anything for us at a user level, unless they managed to monitor and issue bans daily. This results in consistent pressure on RMT so that they DO NOT have the time to make their sales, both in-game and IRL. If you cut them off before they can achieve their goals, they'll never profit. Honestly though, while that's possible, it's just not realistic to do for many reasons.

    We're not asking or needing something on par with developing something on such a grand scale that it would take the same amount of effort as creating a new raid. Adding simple options like chat filters is not the equivalent of adding new meaningful content, in terms of effort and time spent on it. They probably don't have to go through multiple channels to do something like that. If they did, their entire structure of development needs review for better management. How many times are we/they going to be accepting of such half ass methods to "curb RMT" when an actual meaningful fix has been brought up over and over since the very beginning? To SEs lame benefit, as I noted, the RMT impact does not affect us on an actual playing stance, so they likely don't really find it very important as a QoL effort. Especially when you consider that it's not consistent with all servers on how bad it can be, particularly with how JP ones tend to see less than NA/EU. English is just much easier to market to since they can sort of speak the language, compared to how many can speak Japanese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krokov View Post
    A lot of these suggestions punish the general population instead of just a handful, that's not right. Suggestions are good but offer suggestions that don't unduly punish or hurt others who follow the rules.
    I'm not really sure how this really punishes players that badly, unless you're wildly sending freind requests to every person who says hi to you. i can't think off hand a single reason someone would be always going over the 5 FR limit a day unless they are desperate.
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    In a word "NO"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood-Aki View Post
    I'm not really sure how this really punishes players that badly, unless you're wildly sending freind requests to every person who says hi to you. i can't think off hand a single reason someone would be always going over the 5 FR limit a day unless they are desperate.
    I'm not referring to the friend request limit I'm talking about the others people have said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krokov View Post
    I'm not referring to the friend request limit I'm talking about the others people have said.
    Yep, i read that in a rush, my apologies, but every action they do to combat rmt does end up hurting in some way, It can't really be avoided.
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    I just find it funny it wasn't set to 7. Guy joins new static, sorry guys, can't friend all of you in a day.
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    I once got a tell while in the unskippable movie at the very creation of a new toon. i was thinking.. how the hell do they even know im here yet..
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