The Greystone Bastard (naming lore query)

[Cilia]

I'm equally certain that those who verbally attack us mean us the Scions rather than us the individual character. I also have a feeling that any misinterpretation is due, yet again, to a bad translation. I would love for someone to pull those scenes in japanese and translate them so that we could get a clearer picture of what's actually being said. The Warrior of Light is someone whose upstanding character is admired, so I agree with you, and I would even add that because of this personality trait, we would not fight for something that we did not believe in...

Since you're going to be pedantic like that, here is the exact quote.

*glances at the Warrior of Light* If you think you fight for justice, lad / lass, you'd best wake up. The truth is, you fight for whoever bloody well tells you to. Can you not see you're being used?! By the Scions, the city-states, even the Crystal Braves. They none of 'em care a whit what you want - only what you can do for them. And how do I know this? Because I'm the same - a pawn to be used as my masters see fit...

He goes on to whinge about Ala Mhigo, of course, but this is the important bit.

Of course, there's a big difference between working for the amoral Lolorito and working for the righteous, upstanding Scions, but he does have a point. We do good things, but only as the champion of others' causes. This is changing, as the Warrior of Light sought to finish the Knights of the Round in part to avenge Haurchefant and our collaboration with Leofard is entirely voluntary. That said, in 2.x we're just a tool to be thrown at whatever is bothering X city-state right now. We'd never fight for a cause we don't believe in, but that still doesn't change the fact we're not fighting for our own cause beyond self-preservation.

A translation of the Japanese dialogue just for comparison's sake would be nice, though.

I've barely started the DRK quests, though I did see a video of the level 50 quest, but speaking quite honestly here: what on Earth could the Scions have ever done to you to make you that angry and bitter with them in the first place?

Since we're not tagging spoilers here I guess... I dunno, maybe foisting the burden of being "Eorzea's hope" on you? Fray never says anything the Scions said or did impacted you in a meaningful way, but that's likely just because the issue doesn't come up during the storyline. Fray is a collection of all the "darkness" in your heart - all the negative thoughts and emotions you feel, but repress because you think it's wrong to feel and think that way.

Naturally, facing yourself is no easy task. The only thing that would have made it better would have been your Shadow, after manifesting, saying "I am a shadow of your true inner self..."

Lots of Persona 4 vibes after the big reveal.

[Tenkuu]

Damn, I hadn't finished replying to that post and planned on editing it later, totally forgot about it...

Since you're going to be pedantic like that, here is the exact quote.

I'm not even the one who brought up this point, but thanks! And I really think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the term pedantic here, especially since I wanted to look at the japanese version of this, and that quote is not it. Having now heard the quote in japanese, I can confirm that Ilberd says nothing about the Scions in there.

He goes on to whinge about Ala Mhigo, of course, but this is the important bit.

Actually the important bit is right there in the sentence you just posted: he is whining.

Of course, there's a big difference between working for the amoral Lolorito and working for the righteous, upstanding Scions, but he does have a point. We do good things, but only as the champion of others' causes. This is changing, as the Warrior of Light sought to finish the Knights of the Round in part to avenge Haurchefant and our collaboration with Leofard is entirely voluntary. That said, in 2.x we're just a tool to be thrown at whatever is bothering X city-state right now. We'd never fight for a cause we don't believe in, but that still doesn't change the fact we're not fighting for our own cause beyond self-preservation.

Were it only others' causes that we were championing, we wouldn't be fighting in the first place, because that is not the sort of character the Warrior of Light is. On the contrary, it is because we found those who will help us in championing a common cause that we have joined the Scions. Depending on each player's personal feelings towards those NPCs, it may be easy to miss, but the various little quests we do before joining them make it clear. The Scions do not approach just anyone, they approach those who have proven to have a righteous character and the strength to fight for their convictions.

Since we're not tagging spoilers here I guess... I dunno, maybe foisting the burden of being "Eorzea's hope" on you? Fray never says anything the Scions said or did impacted you in a meaningful way, but that's likely just because the issue doesn't come up during the storyline. Fray is a collection of all the "darkness" in your heart - all the negative thoughts and emotions you feel, but repress because you think it's wrong to feel and think that way.

Even if that was a burden we did feel, it would hardly be cause for rancor towards them. Also, I feel like you need to check this out.

Naturally, facing yourself is no easy task. The only thing that would have made it better would have been your Shadow, after manifesting, saying "I am a shadow of your true inner self..."

I don't disagree at all about us having an inner darker self, I'm just completely certain that it absolutely does *not* concern the Scions. If there is only one group we can trust to be our unflinching allies, they are it.