The Greystone Bastard (naming lore query)

[Corvinoobus]

Hey guys,

Just popping in to remove all ambiguity: Greystone is a bastard surname. That is all. Carry on!

[Ayuhra]

Hey guys,

Just popping in to remove all ambiguity: Greystone is a bastard surname. That is all. Carry on!

Splendid!

Thanks for clarifying this mystery for us!

[Yuyuka3]

Hey guys,

Just popping in to remove all ambiguity: Greystone is a bastard surname. That is all. Carry on!

I'm really starting to hate Ishgard now...

[AutumnHarvestwind]

I'm really starting to hate Ishgard now...

I agree with you there, that's like...spitting on his grave man...

[Exodus-E]

I'm really starting to hate Ishgard now...

Only now?

Midgardsormr's opinion of it was pretty much spot on ("Delusion. Despair. Death. Thou shall find naught else here").

Even though we started "fixing" it a bit more, I still believe it should burn.
If only because SICKNESS MUST BE PURGED.
And by sickness, I mean its people (or at the very least the Holy See itself).

[Yuyuka3]

Only now?

Midgardsormr's opinion of it was pretty much spot on ("Delusion. Despair. Death. Thou shall find naught else here").

Even though we started "fixing" it a bit more, I still believe it should burn.
If only because SICKNESS MUST BE PURGED.
And by sickness, I mean its people (or at the very least the Holy See itself).

Sorry, but for me, genocide can NEVER be the solution. Yes, Ishgard started the war. Yes, the Holy See and the High Houses suppressed ~90% of the citizens through lies and terror. Still, by purging the entire city, you will involuntarily kill an awful lot of innocent people. It would put us on the same step as the Garleans and Ascians. It is exactly what Nidhogg is doing, punishing people for the misstakes of their ancestors. That's something I really despise.
If you want to change something, do it with means that are actually helpful. Like, replacing the government, changing its structures from within... oh, wait, we are already doing this. So sorry that change actually needs time.

And people aren't a 'sickness', by the way.

[Ayuhra]

Sorry, but for me, genocide can NEVER be the solution. Yes, Ishgard started the war. Yes, the Holy See and the High Houses suppressed ~90% of the citizens through lies and terror. Still, by purging the entire city, you will involuntarily kill an awful lot of innocent people. It would put us on the same step as the Garleans and Ascians. It is exactly what Nidhogg is doing, punishing people for the misstakes of their ancestors. That's something I really despise.
If you want to change something, do it with means that are actually helpful. Like, replacing the government, changing its structures from within... oh, wait, we are already doing this. So sorry that change actually needs time.

And people aren't a 'sickness', by the way.

It was a joke, sort of.

"The sickness must be purged!" is what Charibert keeps yelling in the Vault

[Exodus-E]

Sorry, but for me, genocide can NEVER be the solution. Yes, Ishgard started the war. Yes, the Holy See and the High Houses suppressed ~90% of the citizens through lies and terror. Still, by purging the entire city, you will involuntarily kill an awful lot of innocent people. It would put us on the same step as the Garleans and Ascians. It is exactly what Nidhogg is doing, punishing people for the misstakes of their ancestors. That's something I really despise.
If you want to change something, do it with means that are actually helpful. Like, replacing the government, changing its structures from within... oh, wait, we are already doing this. So sorry that change actually needs time.

And people aren't a 'sickness', by the way.

I know...and this is basically what I hate about the current situation.

We just can't win, because:

a) Despite our best efforts, people will still act like (suicidal) idiots.

Just look at what happened with Teledji, Ilberd and the Holy See.
Even with our legendary status and (most importantly) our good intentions, people still think that getting rid of us is the best solution.

b) The Ascians (which we know nothing about, nor do we question about) still continue to pull the strings on everything, effectively being 2-3 steps ahead of us.

It's just...so easy to lose heart right now, and even makes you wonder if Eorzea (or even Hydaelyn itself) is worth saving at this point...

[Cilia]

It's just...so easy to lose heart right now, and even makes you wonder if Eorzea (or even Hydaelyn itself) is worth saving at this point...

"I'm not strong at all... I was even betrayed by the same people I protected... I don't want to anyone else to sacrifice themselves for me... I'm not the Warrior of Light... who cares what will happen to Hydaelyn...? I don't want to fight anymore... it's not like anyone appreciates it anyway... there's no way we can beat Zodiark...! It's the Scions' problem... not mine... I can't choose the future!"

"Even so, I...!"

... ok, done being a dork for now.

[Anonymoose]

Haurchefant needed a quick-but-meaningful backstory and they invoked Jon Snow.

And WHAT backstory? We already knew he was a bastard, and the introduction of the lore for it was just kinda tossed in there with a single word in a minion description. Not sure "meaningful" really applies to anything about "Greystone".

More the other way around - they invoked the Jon-Snow-like background early on in Heavensward (brother's quests) and then later applied a bastard surname that fit the invocation.

It's really hammered home by the item description of the very same minion: What isn't dead (or is recreated in a goldsmith's workshop) can never die. Even that is an A Song of Ice and Fire joke based on a prayer to the Drowned God.

Let Theon your servant be born again from the sea, as you were. Bless him with salt, bless him with stone, bless him with steel.

What is dead may never die.

What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.

Inb4 more Haurchefant resurrection theories.